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	mrojas	2009-09-25 , 21:13
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Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin

mrojas
Sometimes I do a favour for some companies and send bug reports etc. Not in this particular case of N900.

Of course you aren't. You yourself said that Nokia isn't giving review units. May it be because.... (wait for it).... (suspense).... they don't consider the unit is ready for reviews yet?

Next thing - please read what I write before.

I have read your Twitters and I would love to read the report you just published, but it is Russian. And you yourself mocked the Google Translator.

My work is different. And I dont care about products, companies much. Due to one reason - I write about all devices/companies. For you may be N900 is a single device, for me one among others. Good to check, but not the ultimate one

While it is pretty obvious what you don't care about, once again: you are not being criticized by what you do. You are being criticized by how you do it.

And just for the record, I am not all that impressed by the N900 - I am not getting one.

N900 are producing now. It means that SW is installed on device now. Not tomorrow, not in October or November. Now. And it wont be updated in a shop. May be it will be updated before going to shelfs. May be. But changes wont be dramatic.

Nokia devices are updated just before shipping (ask Texrat who worked in Nokia). Also, everytime I have bought a Nokia device in a Nokia store, the clerk offered to update the software before me leaving.

We know the changes won't be dramatic, like the won't add MMS or portrait support overnight. But they way you put it, Nokia is willing to let a show stopping 3G bug go into production without any care or attention to it. Sorry, I am not buying it.

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	mrojas	2009-09-25 , 21:16
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Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat

I think Nokia, in fact, does give Eldar these units on the down-low.

Otherwise, why wouldn't they be filing police reports and having the 5-0 go to his home with a warrant to recover the "N920" he has in his possession?

I don't think there is Lex Nokia where he lives.

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bugelrex	2009-09-25 , 21:17
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Eldar,
The battery report is very much appreciated, especially the comparison with N97.

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	Texrat	2009-09-25 , 21:18
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Originally Posted by sachin007

I know this is off topic, but do you remember that guy's user name?

He had a couple, and I have a funny infamous post somewhere that GA saved, but offhand I don't...

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	Texrat	2009-09-25 , 21:19
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livefreeordie	2009-09-25 , 21:23
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Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin

You are w8 too much from 140 symbols in twitter.

Yes, I agree, that's why I wanted more comments

Open OS isnt a key for success. You could build propriety OS and have a great success (check Apple story).

I don't agree entirely. Being open is a key advantage against Apple, and competing against their halo is hard enough as it is. Getting the FOSS crowd backing an OS could make the difference.

But yes, even a closed source OS can be successful

1) no way for that. Handheld device could replace in 5 years PC which we see today on market. But future PC or descktops, whatever will be different in all ways. So gap between devices will exists

Disagree strongly. In 5 years, desktops will be even faster, yes, but phones will be fast enough to be "good enough" for 99% of the business user's laptop needs. Screen size is obviously a problem.

Thanks for showing up.

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Laughing Man	2009-09-25 , 21:26
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Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin

Laughing Man
N900 is mainstream in comparisson with N810, even with N97/N97 mini it wont be a mainstream. mass production of Maemo devices planned to 2011-2012 years. Before QT integration it will be just an expiriment and devices to show new OS to the market, to grew user base. That's all.

About bug reports. All devices for test have crash logger. Astonished that you guys dont know so simple things. This logs are sending to Nokia site directly. And collect by team which devoted to software part.

Yeah, in that regard it will grow. But as for bug reports, crash logs aren't everything (as someone who use to read crash logs and as someone who has submitted them before). It's helpful to actually have people tell you what was happening, etc..etc..

It's like a study I'm doing in virtual reality now, sure we can use the video we have of them drawing the room and the objects to figure out what they're doing. But by adding a verbal component we can not only tap into what they're thinking but also get there alot faster.

Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin

livefreeordie

Open OS isnt a key for success. You could build propriety OS and have a great success (check Apple story).

1) no way for that. Handheld device could replace in 5 years PC which we see today on market. But future PC or descktops, whatever will be different in all ways. So gap between devices will exists

2) Thats trend to make "open" platform. Dont think that it so great. But it will be some winners, some loosers. Openess is not a key for success.

3) from device to device no, from desktop sometimes but problems minor and very well described (will be checked and corrected for sure)

I disagree with you there. I don't think there's a need for an open OS as in open as in Linux is free or open to modify. But the winner will be whoever is open as in their OS will be found on the most products. Thus open to hardware.

As much marketshare and mindshare Apple has now, there is no way they will ever control the most marketshare simply for the fact that they limit themselves to their products. Their software, their products. But a competitor like Android or whoever else allows their OS to be put anywhere can be installed anywhere and everywhere. Eventually it would just outnumber Apple on sheer # of devices being offered and accessiblity to the population.

Will Apple still be successful say 50 years down the line? It's extremely likely simply for the reason their business strategy is "We don't need the mass marketshare, we rather have say 10-20% and charge a high premium on those and keep that percentage". And that's where they are today in the PC market.

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eldarmurtazin	2009-09-25 , 21:28
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livefreeordie

You trying to catch Apple (or sorry Nokia heavily trying) but some others players are growing right now and Nokia isnt ready for things which are coming. Apple in terms of business model is not a rival for Nokia, is different story with moderate sells (maximum of sales is close, really close - device).

Desktops - issue with handheld devices only one - they are handheld (no big screen, no enough memory, no enough video accelerator power etc). You arent right about desktops. And some new technologies are always emerged (some of them i like a lot) No handheld could support them

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	Texrat	2009-09-25 , 21:28
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Originally Posted by livefreeordie

Disagree strongly. In 5 years, desktops will be even faster, yes, but phones will be fast enough to be "good enough" for 99% of the business user's laptop needs. Screen size is obviously a problem.

99% is pretty strong. I'd say the smaller screens knock out about 15% of typical business needs (spreadsheets, documents, etc). From experience I can say I was able to do about 80% of my typical work on an N800 and that was 2 years ago... but 99%? I don't think we'll ever see that day.

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livefreeordie	2009-09-25 , 21:37
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Originally Posted by Texrat

99% is pretty strong. I'd say the smaller screens knock out about 15% of typical business needs (spreadsheets, documents, etc). From experience I can say I was able to do about 80% of my typical work on an N800 and that was 2 years ago... but 99%? I don't think we'll ever see that day.

That's why I included HDMI out. Would you bring a laptop if you could connect your phone to any TV at 1920x1080 and use KOffice?