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2009-09-28 , 11:29
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#91
Originally Posted by kanishou View Post
But it's different, right? What the NITs do (if I haven't missed something), is to predict a set of words that begin with the letters you typed. What the iPhone does is to predict what word you wanted to type, even if you missed the keys by one, and then replaces with the correct word automatically after hitting space.
Word completion happens after the fact, i.e. based on if I've typed "drea", it can predict "dreams" or "dreary" or whatever.

The other type of prediction happens before the fact, i.e. based on if I've typed "drea", it predicts that pressing "m" or "r" is than for instance "n" ("drean?"), and therefore updates...

... you can think of it updating the size of the "m" key to be virtually much larger than the "n" key, so if you hit the edge of the "n" key it corrects it (initially) to the "m" key. Think of like an invisible button on top of every real button that you see. The sizes of these invisible buttons change after every key press.
 

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2009-09-28 , 11:32
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#92
As much as I dislike the iPhone, they have the predictive QWERTY thing mastered, and no one can match it so far.
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2009-09-28 , 11:40
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Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
Word completion happens after the fact, i.e. based on if I've typed "drea", it can predict "dreams" or "dreary" or whatever.

The other type of prediction happens before the fact, i.e. based on if I've typed "drea", it predicts that pressing "m" or "r" is than for instance "n" ("drean?"), and therefore updates...

... you can think of it updating the size of the "m" key to be virtually much larger than the "n" key, so if you hit the edge of the "n" key it corrects it (initially) to the "m" key. Think of like an invisible button on top of every real button that you see. The sizes of these invisible buttons change after every key press.
But it's retroactive too, right? E.g. if I type out "sream", it would replace it with "dream"? In that case it would not so much change the virtual size of the buttons, rather than constantly predict which words could have been typed by hitting letters close to the actually typed letters.
 
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2009-09-28 , 11:57
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#94
I've read somewhere that iphone's osk does change the key's 'landing zones' sizes depending on the predicted word. From brief testing, it does seem to perform that way.

So in the example above of typing 'drea', all the landing zones of the keys around M are minimized (made very small) so you can slip (up to half keys) when hitting the 'M' key and the system will still register 'dream'.
 

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2009-09-28 , 12:03
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Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
Yes, by a predictive engine I didn't mean a word completion engine, but an engine that predicts what you were intending to press and adjusts your input accordingly. That's what enables smaller than thumb sized keys in portrait mode: even though you type slightly off, the predictive engine guides and tries to match your clicks with reasonable keys in the nearby area. Sometimes you actually touch "q", but it interprets it initially as "w", for instance.
Ah! Okay. I was wondering what you were talking about, as the previous tablets already had word completion - and I read that into the T9 which was mentioned.
 
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2009-09-28 , 12:11
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#96
I hope that people here (especially Ragnar), in discussing how to provide a platform for faster typing, will consider and compare qwerty-enhanced-with-AutoText, as in the Blackberry.

There are a Brainstorm entry
(http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/autotext/)
and a thread
(http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31909)
about it.

In real-life usage, I bet that implementing autotext would have the greatest impact.
 

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2009-09-28 , 12:18
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Originally Posted by christexaport View Post
Said Mandibela:
"Creating two interfaces for any app is mandatory if system-wide-ASR is implemented."
Not so. Devs have the option, just like on the N95/97/N900, to support it, just as Mobitubia doesn't support portrait on the N97, which has system wide ASR.
No.

Devs already have the option to add ASR if they so see fit. To have an app either portrait or in landscape is bad coding and forces the user to rotate the device. This is forcing to use an app in a certain way. You see where I'm going...? So now you don't have a problem with in what way the phone is oriented... and you're forced to use it in landscape.

But that is just one (useless on the N900) app. The dev hadn't had enough time to implement the ASR function yet on the N97, prolly because of a second interface implementation. If he had chosen the portait mode, the video would have been uselessly small... But he could have done that too, and drop support for landscape orientation.

This is getting pointless. Unless you learn how to do ASR on the N900 yourself, let the community do it in due time. What you're doing, is spreading bad vibes. EVERYONE knows that Chris would like to have ASR on the N900.
 

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2009-09-28 , 12:45
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Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat View Post
<passing.opinion>
If you're too busy to free up both of your hands, you are too busy to
type on your device.
</passing.opinion>
Kind of agree with this, I see way too many people multitasking with their mobiles on the streets--walking while texting or even driving while texting or on google maps or whatever. It's a wonder that even more people don't get hurt because of this.

Anyway, I am not opposed to portrait support, as long as any implementations of automatic screen rotation can be turned off.
 

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2009-09-28 , 12:54
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#99
I usually think when writing. Think about what to write. I don't usually need to type faster and faster.
When I do type faster on a normal keyboard I make mistakes and I've got to go back and fix them (slowing me and my thoughts a lot).

I don't want to type 3 SMS in a minute or 4 emails in 30 secs.
I want to write a nice e-mail or a nice SMS that doesn't contain mistakes.
 

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2009-09-28 , 17:56
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#100
Originally Posted by Mandibela View Post
This is getting pointless. Unless you learn how to do ASR on the N900 yourself, let the community do it in due time. What you're doing, is spreading bad vibes. EVERYONE knows that Chris would like to have ASR on the N900.
I guess. I just said something that you didn't agree with, so I'm spreading bad vibes. I'll say what I like, and I'm tired of being told not to speak. If you don't like it, email your moderater buddy and tell them. I'm done playing nice. I'm grown too. So if you don't like what I have to say, just don't respond. I'm going to act like all the old heads here. I don't give a flip. I'm here for me, and not you.
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