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2009-10-03 , 08:55
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Originally Posted by Kypeli View Post
First of all, I think this is a good thing, since Apple knows how to do compelling products.
"compelling" is highly exaggerated. they managed to fill a certain niche. i wouldn't want maemo (or anything within nokia) to move towards this niche... because there's nothing there that i would want.
 

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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
"compelling" is highly exaggerated. they managed to fill a certain niche. i wouldn't want maemo (or anything within nokia) to move towards this niche... because there's nothing there that i would want.
What is this niche? At least it seems people in the USA like this niche and it also seems Apple can make the highest profits on the market from this niche.
 
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Originally Posted by Kypeli View Post
What is this niche?
Super-simplified products with zero learning curve, but impossible to do what you want with after the initial likeability wears off.

Combine that with a desire to force everyone to use iTunes and prevent them from installing their own apps, and it should be obvious why we should be wary about this man.
 

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Originally Posted by livefreeordie View Post
Super-simplified products with zero learning curve, but impossible to do what you want with after the initial likeability wears off.

Combine that with a desire to force everyone to use iTunes and prevent them from installing their own apps, and it should be obvious why we should be wary about this man.
Please also read what I originally said about the second thing.
 
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Originally Posted by Kypeli View Post
At least it seems people in the USA like this niche and it also seems Apple can make the highest profits on the market from this niche.
so what? i'm not in the US, i don't care what the people there like or don't like and i'm also not interested in profits that any company other than my employer makes.

what i'm interested in is the product i hold in my hands. having two distinct philosophies, apple's iphone and nokia's maemo, is a good thing. it allows me to choose what a want.
anything that will poison the maemo-philosophy with apple-concepts will make a half-baked wannabe-iphone. not good enough for those who want maemo (like us), not good enough for those who would have bought the iphone, anyway.
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No reason to worry about. Ask to Ari or Peter next week if you want to know more.
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
so what? i'm not in the US, i don't care what the people there like or don't like and i'm also not interested in profits that any company other than my employer makes.

what i'm interested in is the product i hold in my hands. having two distinct philosophies, apple's iphone and nokia's maemo, is a good thing. it allows me to choose what a want.
anything that will poison the maemo-philosophy with apple-concepts will make a half-baked wannabe-iphone. not good enough for those who want maemo (like us), not good enough for those who would have bought the iphone, anyway.
Maemo is developed by an entity that makes decisions based on profit. If it doesn't eventually cause Nokia to make money, it will be abandoned and it will be a long time before another company puts so much faith in such an open platform again.

Design is critical in consumer products, and though I'm no fan, Apple is better at it than Nokia.
 
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Originally Posted by livefreeordie View Post
Super-simplified products with zero learning curve
that kind of thinking might well prove fruitful in the maemo context. software intuitiveness does not have to include closed garden philosophy
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Originally Posted by semiquaver View Post
Maemo is developed by an entity that makes decisions based on profit. If it doesn't eventually cause Nokia to make money, it will be abandoned and it will be a long time before another company puts so much faith in such an open platform again.
people are repeating this over and over again.
it's still not logical.
we lose the open platform if it doesn't generate profit.
and we lose it if it turns into something different in order to generate more profit.
either way, we lose. how is one of those scenarios better than the other?

the only good thing we should hope for is that we can keep this open platform the way it is - because enough people will like it the way we do. if they don't, there's no way to save it.

Originally Posted by semiquaver View Post
Design is critical in consumer products, and though I'm no fan, Apple is better at it than Nokia.
i doubt that. whenever i have to operate any apple product (desktop pc, iphone, ipod), after 3 minutes i feel the urge of throwing it against the wall or trampling upon it. these beasts never do what i want them to and, worse, they never communicate clearly what i could do as a next step in the workflow. i usually sit and stare at the screen, helplessly pressing the same buttons over and over again...
it's design that may work a minority of people with an exceptionally high IQ. i'm too dumb for it.

(oh, maybe by "design" you meant the looks of the UI... that's a completely different thing. we have enough themes.)
 

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Originally Posted by semiquaver View Post
Maemo is developed by an entity that makes decisions based on profit. If it doesn't eventually cause Nokia to make money, it will be abandoned and it will be a long time before another company puts so much faith in such an open platform again.
We were worried that they'd destroy the openness *now*. It doesn't matter whether the platform fails or not if that happens.

Originally Posted by edgar2 View Post
that kind of thinking might well prove fruitful in the maemo context. one does not necessarily exclude the other.
Zero learning curve is nice, but it rarely coincides with being good for any kind of advanced or even prolonged simple usage. Having both would be great.
 

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