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2009-10-07 , 19:10
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Originally Posted by marcinw View Post
I haven't written about me. I was writing about it, what are first feelings from many non-technical users. And first feelings are the most often the most important.
For those non-techie folks that have simple needs, maybe the N900 actually is the wrong choice for them. There's no shame in that. If/when they finally wrap their heads around the possibilities that the N900 offers (and hopefully understand how dumb MMS is), perhaps then they'll buy one.

I think one fallacy at play here is that a device can only be considered 'good' if it caters to every whim of every user.
 

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2009-10-07 , 19:21
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Originally Posted by Hogwash View Post
For those non-techie folks that have simple needs, maybe the N900 actually is the wrong choice for them. There's no shame in that. If/when they finally wrap their heads around the possibilities that the N900 offers (and hopefully understand how dumb MMS is), perhaps then they'll buy one.

I think one fallacy at play here is that a device can only be considered 'good' if it caters to every whim of every user.
Tried MMS once. Could NOT get it to work. Got frustrated. Sent text instead. Maybe I am a *****

You're right. I actually don't think the N900 will suit everyone regardless. Why should it? I think it will suit me, and it's my very first phone-capable pocket computer (had 2 n810s, still have one, love it, want more speed is all).

(Wonder if I'll ever turn the phone bit on. Probably, but I'll miss my 2125i's flashlight... Oh wait, lcuk made one for liqbase. I think I'll be okay now...)
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2009-10-07 , 19:28
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Originally Posted by Hogwash View Post
For those non-techie folks that have simple needs, maybe the N900 actually is the wrong choice for them. There's no shame in that. If/when they finally wrap their heads around the possibilities that the N900 offers (and hopefully understand how dumb MMS is), perhaps then they'll buy one.

I think one fallacy at play here is that a device can only be considered 'good' if it caters to every whim of every user.
You're partially right.

But you should remember, that more advanced users/developers can be disappointed too - no some APIs (at least I don't see for example SMS).

Generally I'm closer to opinion of some people here - Joe will not understand, that Nokia N900 is special.

But Joe will understand in the future, that Nokia N1000, N1010 and so one are special. Because they have got everything (what was in their non-smartphone device) and many other software from the beginning.

For now Joe can go rather into Android devices for example.

PS. We can have another scenario too - Nokia N1000, N1010 won't have something. And only some people will be interested in it. Many other will still select for example Symbian or Series 30...
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2009-10-07 , 19:38
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Nu uh Joe the Plumber understands! Oh wait you're talking about Joe Average. Carry on.
 
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2009-10-07 , 19:53
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Originally Posted by marcinw View Post
You're partially right.

But you should remember, that more advanced users/developers can be disappointed too - no some APIs (at least I don't see for example SMS).

Generally I'm closer to opinion of some people here - Joe will not understand, that Nokia N900 is special.

But Joe will understand in the future, that Nokia N1000, N1010 and so one are special. Because they have got everything (what was in their non-smartphone device) and many other software from the beginning.

For now Joe can go rather into Android devices for example.

PS. We can have another scenario too - Nokia N1000, N1010 won't have something. And only some people will be interested in it. Many other will still select for example Symbian or Series 30...
Is there not a slight worry that if enough Joes don't buy the n900, nokia shareholders will ditch the idea in favour of something that Joe will buy because it supports their bottom line? And there will be no n1000, n1200?

I think that's what concerns me, as a newcomer to all this. All these years despite being a bit of a geek I've stayed away from the likes of linux because I felt inadequate not being able to write code over breakfast. People saying "I don't care if this phone doesn't sell because it's perfect for me" aren't taking on board that nokia is a commercial company, and you can bet your Open Source they care whether it sells. After testing the MID a few times they've taken the plunge with this one and aimed it at a much wider market. They need Joe Average to at least take an interest. And he won't as long as it sells on the CPU - he wants to know what it does.
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2009-10-07 , 19:54
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Who is this guy average Joe, and who is his sister average Josephine?

does he want to
-to make calls ....check
-to browse the web ... check
-to do his emails ....check
-to send sms ....check
-to play his music ....check
-to take pictures ....check
-take videos ....check
-use GPS Maps ....check
-listen to internet radio ....check

average Joe probably does not even know what picture messaging is, as least not in the UK, and if he does he probably sends mms to other average Joes that dont know how to read them, cause they probably have a phone that tells them to log on line to see the picture.

Sure there are some things the N900 does not do, but then my Macbook does not make calls either.

average Joe does not know a Blutooth from a toothbrush, and does not care.

No the N900 is not for average Joe, but average Joe COULD use the N900 if he wanted to.

Sorry if this sounds arrogant against average Joe, but average Joe is just not interested.
 
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2009-10-07 , 20:05
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Sorry if this has been answered. Why are we trying to sale a niche product to the average user? Nokia has said this is not for the average user. Atleast that is why I heard when Ari was interviewed after Nokia World, and I dont think this is changed. I thought this was for the techy person who needs to be online all the time, or something like that.
 

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2009-10-07 , 20:13
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Originally Posted by jandmdickerson View Post
Sorry if this has been answered. Why are we trying to sale a niche product to the average user? Nokia has said this is not for the average user. Atleast that is why I heard when Ari was interviewed after Nokia World, and I dont think this is changed. I thought this was for the techy person who needs to be online all the time, or something like that.
Original question was: "Will Joe Average understand why the N900 is special?". Our answer was: No. Next question was: why ? Because.... (and here were few reasons)

We are not trying to sale this product for the average product. We're trying to explain, what could make, that average user will understand, that this device is OK.
 

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2009-10-07 , 20:15
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Otto Normalverbraucher as Joe Average is called here in Germany (Otto Average Consumer), usually buys subsidized phones for 1 € or uses a cheap dumbphone with a prepaid SIM card.
The iPhone, although heavily advertised by T-Mobile and sold for 1 € is not so common among Otto Normalverbrauchers. Everybody knows it and wants it but the phone contract is too expensive.
Otto Normalverbraucher also doesn't feel the need for mobile internet.
The iPhone is just interesting because of apps and as status symbol.
 
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2009-10-07 , 20:19
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Originally Posted by marcinw View Post
Original question was: "Will Joe Average understand why the N900 is special?". Our answer was: No. Next question was: why ? Because.... (and here were few reasons)

We are not trying to sale this product for the average product. We're trying to explain, what could make, that average user will understand, that this device is OK.
Okay well then you need to tell them the important stuff...

Lesser-known Linux facts
How well do you know Linux, the open source operating system behind the Nokia N900? Here are some little-known facts about it:

The Linux logo is a penguin called Tux that, appropriately enough, was designed on the open source arts package GIMP. Linux creator Linus Torvalds was bitten by a penguin in Australia in 1993.

In the Indian state of Kerala, all secondary schools must run Linux on their computers.

Almost 90 per cent of the world’s top 500 supercomputers run on Linux.

Titanic was the first major Hollywood production to use Linux computers for its CGI imagery.

Linux powers many consumer electronic devices, including the TiVo personal video recorder, routers and music workstations.

See source:

http://conversations.nokia.com/almanac/nokia-n900/
 
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