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lbattraw is offline lbattraw
2007-02-23 , 21:26
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Originally Posted by dbec10 View Post
Are you guys serious? The original poster is correct. Be honest with yourselves.

some of you have made the postings yourselves on this very forum. Are you saying that the 3 second reboot and the Nightly automatic reboots are all because you loaded crappy software on your systems?
In some cases it's just user error/configuration. I accidentally upgraded a system package that caused the 3 second reboot (twice!). Fortunately they marked it so it was no longer automatically included in upgrades. Another reason for it was due to a bug in the flash filsystem code. The nightly reboots are likely related to immature software support for the DSP. It's already been fixed in the next version of the OS that will be released shortly (next month maybe?).
Originally Posted by dbec10 View Post
Look at the Windows Mobiles and the Palms. The windows mobiles are bricks. As long as you don't run multiple apps at once they don't crash. The Palms are the opposite. They have excellent software but the hard ware causes problems. But nothing like what I've read on this forum.

You guys flash those n800s more than a flashlight.

Be honest. They are not stable.
Are you kidding about Windows Mobile? I can understand the Palms having problems running multiple applications since licensing prevents them from doing real multitasking, but I digress. We're really comparing apples to oranges here. Although Maemo is "Linux", we're working in a completely new environment with new applications, on new hardware. Windows Mobile and Palm have had years and years of stabilization, ditto for desktop Linux. If you took an exact copy of Ubuntu and somehow put it on a PDA you would likely get similar stability. I think you underestimate the difficulty of working in a embedded system environment where things are only marginally like a desktop. With time things will (and have!) get a lot better, and we'll be able to look back on the days of relative instability and laugh.

Larry
 
bac522 is offline bac522
2007-02-23 , 21:29
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Originally Posted by Jerome View Post
my Linux PC also crashes from time to time,.
My HTPC based on Linux and doing quite a bit of other functions, never crashes. My NSLU2 unslug with Linux has never crashed. I'm a pretty extreme hacker putting all kinds of apps on these boxes. Why you're Linux PC is crashing is not the norm.
 
rm -rf is offline rm -rf
2007-02-24 , 00:25
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
The N800 and 770 can't possibly have the resources or be as robust as full-fledged Macs or PCs.
But it DOES have the resources that Linux boxes had 10 years ago, and it is not as stable as they were. Not even close. My 120Mhz Compaq/Linux primary DNS server did DNS lookups for 50,000 users for years w/o a crash (except ping-of-death....)

The architecture is also newer.
Perhaps. But then Nokia pretty much has to step up to the plate and get it debugged.
 
pdafan is offline pdafan
2007-02-24 , 01:14
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I think Nokia is pressing ahead with new HW versions and also new SW updates without ever fixing the existing ones. In contrast, my trusty Psion 5MX is still using the same OS that it came with and it has probably only crashed twice in 5 years! That's with putting in new batteries every couple months, putting it standby in mode when I'm not using it, waking it up every now and then to do something. I never turn it OFF, even when swapping batteries - it has a backup battery. The OS is rock solid and gracefully handles boundary conditions (low RAM, low battery.)

For a device like the N800 with a limited number of HW drivers, one would imagine it would be rock solid. For example Apple doesn't have to worry about supporting every piece of HW out there - they just support what they have in their machine. Similarly Nokia ought to make sure that their SW fully supports their HW. I think these crashes are completely unacceptable! And the N800 is not some stripped down machine any more, it has plenty of RAM and 'disk' space, and with my 128MB swap file there's no excuse for running out of memory.

My old Psion has "just" 16MB of RAM and "only" 32MB of flash and it runs just fine. Granted, I can't surf the web on it, but it's almost impossible to make it crash even though it's HW resources are very limited. That's because the SW has been very well designed and debugged even before it was shipped.
 
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Texrat is offline Texrat
2007-02-24 , 01:47
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Originally Posted by rm -rf View Post
But it DOES have the resources that Linux boxes had 10 years ago, and it is not as stable as they were. Not even close. My 120Mhz Compaq/Linux primary DNS server did DNS lookups for 50,000 users for years w/o a crash (except ping-of-death....)
I defer to Larry's excellent points above.

I get the feeling some people are skimming the topic...
 
Vinh is offline Vinh
2007-02-24 , 10:32
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Originally Posted by Arjun View Post


Check the following. It may help you solve your connectivity problems.

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7589_102...sageID=2336356

Also, the various ways to troubleshoot the connectivity issues between a Router and the Nokia 770 can be found on this very Forum. It is possible that you may have to update the Firmware of the Router and also figure out the correct Channel number on the Router that works with the Nokia 770.
I'm running IT OS2006 3.2006.49-2 on the 770 and the latest firmware on the Netgear (wgr614v6_2_0_13_1_0_13na.chk). I followed the steps on that webpage and still have the same problem: local-link. My AP is four bars green but seldom connects wit the 770 properly. I've been able to connect every once in a long while and it's so inconsistent that it's frustrating. I've had success with AP's around town, so it might be a 770/Netgear issue, but how do I go about diagnosing/fixing it?

As for the Channel, how do I tell what my neighbors are using? My area is definitely wi-fi rich (mostly locked though). What does moving to another Channel gain me when I already have four green bars? Better through-put? Or an actual chance at consistent connections?

I've been following the Forum threads on local-link issues and it doesn't seem resolved for everyone.

Thanks for the response!

Vinh
 
dbec10 is offline dbec10
2007-02-24 , 12:20
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What is happenning is that you have a good signal from your access point to the device. However there are too many collisions/errors on that frequency coming from the access points in the area. This is what causes the disconnect.

You should go through the frequencies/channels until you find one that is better.

To find the channels your neighbours are on you would need scanner software. I think I saw one on maemo 2006 apps catalogue for the 770.

Check there.
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bergie is offline bergie
2007-02-26 , 21:36
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Originally Posted by gisborne View Post
My original issue was with the whole device locking up, not with individual programs crashing. Linux should not entirely lock up. Not never. Okay, maybe once per year. :-)
There's even a particular day when to allow your Linux box to rest: http://www.shutdownday.org/

I've experienced the watchdog rebooting the N800 quite a few times, but all of these have happened when the device has been charging overnight or stowed away in my bag. I suspect they're because of some of the home/statusbar applets I have, but since this hasn't been more than a minor annoyance (I need to restart my apps in the morning), I haven't started removing applications to find the guilty one.
 
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