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2009-11-09
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Originally Posted by range
A lot. When open source device is treat worse than close source device, than sorry... It's possible to have technical/human/time resources limits, but solution is simple - writing, that thing "X" will be available later. No excuse here.
Originally Posted by range
Not only mine... If you think, that something was wrong in my words, please show it. I say generally only, that Nokia is not taking care enough about own customers once again and they're making similar actions like in the past.
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2009-11-09
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Originally Posted by marcinw
I don't get your point. I believe that for things like portrait mode support (in some applications) and MMS support, they -would- be coming later. I don't see how the N900 is being treated worse than a closed device.
A lot. When open source device is treat worse than close source device, than sorry... It's possible to have technical/human/time resources limits, but solution is simple - writing, that thing "X" will be available later. No excuse here.
Not only mine... If you think, that something was wrong in my words, please show it. I say generally only, that Nokia is not taking care enough about own customers once again.
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2009-11-09
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Marcinw, if you are honest and do really appreciate Open Source projects, then stop whining and trolling on this community board.
We got your message already.
We got your message already.
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2009-11-09
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Originally Posted by marcinw
So what you are saying is to support open source they must write ALL their own code? Because they couldn't just say "MMS will be supported on X date" if their own developers are not the ones working on that support. The nature of open source is that a lot of people are doing it for free, so you cannot pressure them into getting MMS support finished and Nokia staff are busy fixing the core functionality.
A lot. When open source device is treat worse than close source device, than sorry... It's possible to have technical/human/time resources limits, but solution is simple - writing, that thing "X" will be available later. No excuse here.
They also made it pretty clear the N900 is not meant to be the perfect phone, its a transitional device. Its basically a case of "get something to market now to promote interest". The whole idea being that by Maemo 6 things will be more complete. That to me is actually a pain for the end user for a very open source way of doing it, rather than doing everything behind closed doors.
If anything my personal biggest complaint is that Ovi Maps is not as complete as the version on cheaper Symbian devices, but that in fact seems to be caused by focusing more on open source than commercial support.
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Originally Posted by wmarone
Sorry, but on all Nokia pages there is still info, that supported messaging is "IM, SMS" (no MMS). There is no FM Radio too (of course, some of you can say, that's unofficial, etc. etc., but....)
I don't get your point. I believe that for things like portrait mode support (in some applications) and MMS support, they -would- be coming later. I don't see how the N900 is being treated worse than a closed device.
Originally Posted by wmarone
You buy device X and you want to sync it from your Linux. Sorry. You buy your N900 and want to use functions available in your 7 years old Nokia. Sorry. These are maybe details, but...
Please clarify how this is the case.
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2009-11-09
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Originally Posted by marcinw
So if Maemo/Nokia are not as open as you like, who are? Apple? Windows Mobile? Android?
When open source device is treat worse than close source device, than sorry...
Some things will stay closed and proprietary... Nokia are not a charity, and what would stop other phone companies from ripping off their software ? They need to hold something back to be able to sell the hardware, while giving enough out (especially compared to others) so people can do what they want with their device.
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Originally Posted by Alex Atkin UK
I'm saying, that they're treating Open Source phone a little bit less serious than closed source phones. They could write: MMS will be available in future firmware release (without giving concrete date). Paying one good developer for making it (during few months in worst case) shoudln't be very expensive (I remind, there are Open Source codes and Nokia has got already own sources too). Speaking, that Maemo 5 is transition only is excuse for me.
So what you are saying is to support open source they must write ALL their own code? Because they couldn't just say "MMS will be supported on X date" if their own developers are not the ones working on that support. The nature of open source is that a lot of people are doing it for free, so you cannot pressure them into getting MMS support finished and Nokia staff are busy fixing the core functionality.
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2009-11-09
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Originally Posted by Thor
nobody said about full opening. but when I compare all of them (Apple/WM/Androing/Maemo), Android seems to be the best.
So if Maemo/Nokia are not as open as you like, who are? Apple? Windows Mobile? Android?
Some things will stay closed and proprietary... Nokia are not a charity, and what would stop other phone companies from ripping off their software ? They need to hold something back to be able to sell the hardware, while giving enough out (especially compared to others) so people can do what they want with their device.
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2009-11-09
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Originally Posted by marcinw
So your whole argument is basically that 10 years ago Nokia didn't support Linux and all the work they've done in between doesn't count because Maemo isn't feature complete?
You buy device X and you want to sync it from your Linux. Sorry. You buy your N900 and want to use functions available in your 7 years old Nokia. Sorry. These are maybe details, but...
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Originally Posted by marcinw
marcinw Symbian has now been Open Sourced. Qt has been Open Sourced for a long time, and drives the KDE desktop on Linux. Qt will be the strategic dev platform for both Symbian and Maemo.
I'm saying, that they're treating Open Source phone a little bit less serious than closed source phones. They could write: MMS will be available in future firmware release (without giving concrete date). Paying one good developer for making it (during few months in worst case) shoudln't be very expensive (I remind, there are Open Source codes and Nokia has got already own sources too). Speaking, that Maemo 5 is transition only is excuse for me.
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