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2009-11-24
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#112
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Here we go some real life scrolling in the browser, flash off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8JeLKKfDDM
If you want a comparative iPhone vid I can do that too but I think it's pretty much self explanatory. I might cover the actual OS later.
As far as the unit being defective...come on...seriously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8JeLKKfDDM
If you want a comparative iPhone vid I can do that too but I think it's pretty much self explanatory. I might cover the actual OS later.
As far as the unit being defective...come on...seriously.
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2009-11-24
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Originally Posted by Holyshit
Interesting, I may be considering Android sooner than I thought then. Though is this persistent? E.g. what happens if I upgrade the Android OS?
Yh Android does and it did so long before the N900. The T-Mobile G1 (and e.g. HTC Hero) run FULL Debian. Yes, they also support native X11, so you can run KDE, LXDE, IceWM whatever you want. So what your point again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8yBH...layer_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjNhG...layer_embedded
Even better: it's a 1-click install for G1 owners.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529233
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.ph...e=Debian_on_G1
http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/co...9&id=1620#1620
So yh u get the best of both worlds: Android and full Debian on 1 device. When u need it u got full Debian in the palm of ur hand, when when u're finished u just switch back to a very nice smartphone OS. There's no emulation whatsoever and u don't need to wipe Android.
Windows Mobile 6.5/7 basically have quite good Office support. And basically Open Office is kinda bloated (it uses more resources than Microsoft Office, look it up) and hasn't got any touchscreen support - and the N900 doesn't have a trackball or D-Pad. And it's just silly to run something bloated like Open Office on a portable device. A lot of companies are moving to smartclients and webservices, look at Intel Moblin OS, look at Google Chrome OS, look at Microsoft's WebOffice.
In a couple of years time, writing office documents will be like webmail. Most people don't use local email any longer, and office on the internet allows you to access and share your documents anywhere and anytime, and you always have the most current version of the document in reach.
As for the future, I'm not buying a device in the future. I'm buying a device now for what it can do now (granted I keep it for at least 3 years). When the future comes then that's when I'll be evaluating again what can be done with what devices out there. I also tend to have a bias against online tools (I just use them for storage mostly) since you may not always have access to them [if the service ever goes down even for temporary reasons] and it's dependent on being connected (can be solved with better network access) . Though Google Gears was nice while it lasted since it allowed you to work offline and then sync the changes back online.
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2009-11-24
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Originally Posted by Bratag
It doesn't run in a virtual machine, it runs natively. Because Debian supports ARM. So basically Debian is able to run on any smartphone that has an ARM CPU.
Um actually what they run is an image within a virtual machine.
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2009-11-24
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy
Mine is still scrolling smoothly.
Who cares if it can run Open Office it can't scroll smoothly in the damn browser?
Am I doing something wrong?
Originally Posted by franklinn
They aren't. Scrolling is as smooth as teflon-coated silk. Take the hyperbolic comments with a huge grain of salt.
so scrolling is not smooth in maemo 5?. Why oh why is Nokia struggling with a basic feature like Kinetic scrolling ?
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2009-11-24
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Originally Posted by Holyshit
I stand corrected
It doesn't run in a virtual machine, it runs natively. Because Debian supports ARM. So basically Debian is able to run on any smartphone that has an ARM CPU.
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2009-11-24
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Ohh! Are you running Open Office too? Can we have a bear-of-very-little-brain walk-thru on how that's done? (I know it has been done). Prett please?
Mine is still scrolling smoothly.
Am I doing something wrong?
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
It's not difficult to run Debian on ARM. The difficulty is getting access to your phone's hardware. HTC devices (like G1, HERO) are quite open to development, so it was a lot easier for the community to built boatloaders and gain access to other hardware in the phone. So, don't get your hopes up for the Droid yet. The Droid hasn't even been truely rooted yet. Fortunately HTC is upcoming with a Snapdragon Android device (and highres screen etc). Yes it is persistent because you run it from the SD card. And Android OS doesn't touch your SD card.
Interesting, I may be considering Android sooner than I thought then. Though is this persistent? E.g. what happens if I upgrade the Android OS?
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2009-11-24
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Originally Posted by gjtorikian
Can't wait until an installable package is created!
What are you wankers moaning about?
http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2009/09/canola-on-n900.html
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2009-11-24
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Okay imo, I do not agree totally with the OP, but he/she does make some valid points (although in an obtrusive manner). I think we all have to be a little more realistic in what to expect from the device. Much of what the OP is complaining about is software related and could be fixed via firmware updates. However,this is a new iteration of the OS, and it appears Nokia was not expecting this type of response to the device, which has led to this device's mishandled launch. Therefore, I would expect a few things to be a little off. Most of what the OP listed may have to do with that particular device, as I have not seen many reports of these "bugs" from others of whom have received the device or have a pre-prod unit with final release firmware. I would say report these issues through the proper channels and as I have witnessed from the dedication of this community and commitment from Nokia, I am sure they will be addressed.
In regards to the Iphone & Android comparisons, they are going to happen. It is unfortunate, but they are going to happen. Are they directly comparable? Imo, No. Also, I think this is the first time Nokia is committing the same amount of resources Apple and Google put into the Iphone and Android respectively. I look at it like this: Nokia has a vast catalog of devices that it manages and builds up each year, with 3 OSes (S40, S60, Maemo) that it supports. Maemo to me is now beginning to be prepped for the "mainsteream", where as before it was limited to a "niche" product. This is in comparison to Apple who has one smartphone and one mobile OS (in terms of mobile devices), and Google has one mobile OS. All three platforms have things that they lack (none are perfect no matter how much we want them to be) and things that each does very well. Imo I think Maemo is catching up to be right where it should be as far as its capabilities are concerned, and will speed up once its fully released on the public.
Now as far as this goes:
In regards to the Iphone & Android comparisons, they are going to happen. It is unfortunate, but they are going to happen. Are they directly comparable? Imo, No. Also, I think this is the first time Nokia is committing the same amount of resources Apple and Google put into the Iphone and Android respectively. I look at it like this: Nokia has a vast catalog of devices that it manages and builds up each year, with 3 OSes (S40, S60, Maemo) that it supports. Maemo to me is now beginning to be prepped for the "mainsteream", where as before it was limited to a "niche" product. This is in comparison to Apple who has one smartphone and one mobile OS (in terms of mobile devices), and Google has one mobile OS. All three platforms have things that they lack (none are perfect no matter how much we want them to be) and things that each does very well. Imo I think Maemo is catching up to be right where it should be as far as its capabilities are concerned, and will speed up once its fully released on the public.
Now as far as this goes:
Originally Posted by Megacrazy
HELL to the Naw, I can't get with that. My confidence still lies with this platform, this community, Nokia, and this device (whenever it gets here).
...THIS PHONE IS GARBAGE. ...
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