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sceptre15 is offline sceptre15
2009-11-30 , 21:22
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#111
If emulators (not roms) are known to be legal, then how is removing them from the repositories "playing it safe". I agree with what a previous poster said about the FOSS community being very careful about the law, but I believe that is this was a TRUE FOSS site like gnu.org and they were in a similar situation, then the content would remain on the site until it was clear that it was illegal to host it. Censoring content in this manner without any proof of guilt reminds me of ISP's blocking internet accounts without any proof of wrongdoing simply because the RIAA or MPAA asks them nicely (or not nicely). Regardless of whether this settles down and the emulators are returned to the repo's, this whole event is very unsettling from a free (as in speech) software perspective.
 

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2009-11-30 , 21:26
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#112
Because the FSF has lawyers, maemo.org does not.
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They're maemo and MeeGo...

"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
 

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2009-11-30 , 21:27
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Originally Posted by sceptre15 View Post
If emulators (not roms) are known to be legal, then how is removing them from the repositories "playing it safe". I agree with what a previous poster said about the FOSS community being very careful about the law, but I believe that is this was a TRUE FOSS site like gnu.org and they were in a similar situation, then the content would remain on the site until it was clear that it was illegal to host it. Censoring content in this manner without any proof of guilt reminds me of ISP's blocking internet accounts without any proof of wrongdoing simply because the RIAA or MPAA asks them nicely (or not nicely). Regardless of whether this settles down and the emulators are returned to the repo's, this whole event is very unsettling from a free (as in speech) software perspective.
It has nothing to do with censoring content with a lack of proof and everything to do with showing Nokia's good will that they didn't intend to cause Nintendo any harm so that they can both resolve this issue as fast and as trouble-free as possible.

Leaving them up makes you look like you are being malicious and purposely attempting to hurt Nintendo.

Haven't seen anything to back up your claims that maemo.org is any less FOSS than gnu.org though.
 

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HangLoose is offline HangLoose
2009-11-30 , 21:32
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#114
Originally Posted by sceptre15 View Post
If emulators (not roms) are known to be legal, then how is removing them from the repositories "playing it safe". I agree with what a previous poster said about the FOSS community being very careful about the law, but I believe that is this was a TRUE FOSS site like gnu.org and they were in a similar situation, then the content would remain on the site until it was clear that it was illegal to host it. Censoring content in this manner without any proof of guilt reminds me of ISP's blocking internet accounts without any proof of wrongdoing simply because the RIAA or MPAA asks them nicely (or not nicely). Regardless of whether this settles down and the emulators are returned to the repo's, this whole event is very unsettling from a free (as in speech) software perspective.
Censoring content is saying:
-"This kind of app cant run cos we wont let", like Apple does.
-"This kind of functionality cant be duplicated", like Apple does.
-"This kind of content wont be available in our devices", like Apple does.
-"Only possible way to use our device is with our AWESOME syncing software", like Apple does.

So you should think about the possibility of Nokia locking the device in a way that emulators could not be installed...

...like Apple does.
 

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2009-11-30 , 21:43
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#115
whats wiicontrol anyway?
is it the program that lets you use a wiimote as a gamepad on the n900?

if so, does it also work with a nunchuck? (because obviously snes-game wont work only with a wiimote due to the lack of buttons)
 
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2009-11-30 , 21:53
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#116
EDIT : I didn't understand.
Last edited by Aweb; 2009-11-30 at 22:07.
 
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2009-11-30 , 21:55
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Originally Posted by msa View Post
whats wiicontrol anyway?
is it the program that lets you use a wiimote as a gamepad on the n900?

if so, does it also work with a nunchuck? (because obviously snes-game wont work only with a wiimote due to the lack of buttons)
Wiimotes work fine with SNES as long as your game doesn't need more buttons. I haven't tried the nunchuck with it though so I can't answer.

The real problem though is that the Wii has a randomish lag on all input done. For example, I was playing Super Mario World, a game I can finish with all exits completed without dying once on the SNES or PC emulators. With the wiimote, it's almost impossible. You'll find yourself having all sorts of reaction problems... running off the edge of cliffs and that sort of thing. And because the lag isn't the same at all times, it's impossible to get used to and work around, unfortunately.
 
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2009-11-30 , 21:58
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Originally Posted by Aweb View Post
The emulators can still be installed, just not with the official repositories. You just need the .deb files or eventual unofficial repositories in the future, whereas with Apple's devices you have to "jailbrek" them before doing so.

I think you're oversimplifying this.
And I think you didnt understand a word of what I said...

I never meant that emulators cant be installed and never meant that now if we want to install them we need to do it in a hackish way...

Maybe my canadian accent got you confused, eh?
 
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2009-11-30 , 22:01
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Originally Posted by HangLoose View Post
And I think you didnt understand a word of what I said...
It seems I misrerad it, sorry. Must be my French language
 
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2009-11-30 , 22:04
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#120
no probz, duuude...
 
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