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2007-03-30 , 17:32
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I returned my second n800 yesterday due too the reboot issue...so i'm on my 3rd one typing this...but i dig the little thing so much i can't give up on it yet...and with the new os update, i might just have stabile one now...fingers crossed...
You don't need to return them due to reboot issues -- most of the time, what you need is to use the Linux flasher to set the device to R&D mode, turn off the lifeguard reset option, and then return the device to normal mode.
 
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2007-03-30 , 17:43
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I can understand the "ease" of this but think about what you are asking a paying customer to do. Why should I have to get a Linux flasher, reset a problem with Nokia software. This device, in its current version, will always be a developers toy. Statements as such continue to validate this. This is supposed to be a production device, but as you just illustrated it is not ready.
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2007-03-30 , 17:47
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#83
We GET it already, sapporo. I'm sure the rant is useful catharsis the first time, but this forum is overflowing with them-- many from the same person(s).

Venting is fun, but a more productive venue for feedback like that lies within the walls of Nokia. Here it's just become bothersome background noise.
 
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2007-03-30 , 18:19
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We GET it already, sapporo. I'm sure the rant is useful catharsis the first time, but this forum is overflowing with them-- many from the same person(s).

Venting is fun, but a more productive venue for feedback like that lies within the walls of Nokia. Here it's just become bothersome background noise.
Actually you are wrong. Quite wrong in fact. I took your advice and that of sondjata (I think) and gave the N800 another try but with another mindset regarding usage. Once I took it out of Biz Mode and put it in just use it mode, it is quite okay to have around and enjoyable. To the point of usefulness. I know the limitations and try not to exceed them. My only problem is that if the rebooting issue is a reoccurrence, then Nokia needs to fix this so that people do not have to go to extra ordinary measures (extra ordinary to some) to get things up and running again.

I think, you and others have said that Nokia reads these forums, and if so then great. Get the rebooting issue fixed.
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2007-03-30 , 18:30
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So how am I wrong? All I see is an uninformed technically-challenged pedantic ranter who ignores what he's been told by experienced users here. Who also persists in making the mistake of the neophyte in assuming that issues discovered in a small number of devices represent the population at large.

No wonder so many people here have you on ignore. Add another to that growing list.
 
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2007-03-30 , 18:46
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So how am I wrong? All I see is an uninformed technically-challenged pedantic ranter who ignores what he's been told by experienced users here. Who also persists in making the mistake of the neophyte in assuming that issues discovered in a small number of devices represent the population at large.

No wonder so many people here have you on ignore. Add another to that growing list.
Do as you see fit. You have to know what is right for you, but do remember it takes two hands to clap.

What I do not understand is that I took your advice, and that of a few others here and reevaluated the way that I was using the N800, and the expectations that I had on it. Once I took this advice from the experienced users here, I began to actually enjoy the device while understanding what it can and can not do. I then gave credit where credit was due. However to this I get a flaming response back.

Second, I am not technically challenged. Anytime you want to talk terrestrial satellite systems we can. I am/was challenged with this device because, like Milhouse said, I needed to do a bit more research and I did. To this end, my N800 is not the "challenge" it once was and I tend to enjoy it more.

With that being said, I will gladly leave this community to itself and do my best to never post here again. Luckily I have some PM's as well from people here that have agreed with me and have offered help should I need it.

P.S. Good luck in getting the job you want.
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2007-03-31 , 19:16
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Your differences aside, there is only one poster here that's being rude, Texrat.
My modus operandus here will be read-only from now on. I don't want to lower myself to this level of communication.

For what it's worth: I am head of an IT department and as such don't consider myself technically challenged. Reading the comments here I wonder who is the one that's challenged.

Einstein out.
 
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2007-03-31 , 19:53
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Einstein, think as you will. Before passing judgment on anyone, however, it behooves one to examine the evidence in its entirety-- and that includes posts in this forum you seem to have missed. A little objectivity doesn't hurt either.

I'll ignore your own rude insinuations, hypocritical as they may be. And FYI, I wasn't talking to you anyway, technically or otherwise.

Have a nice day.


EDIT: oh, and I don't speak for the forum, and other than your post above have had no reason whatsoever to give you any sort of grief. So feel free to reply to whomever you like, however you like. Reggie rules the roost, and if he feels led to do so I'm sure he'll give anyone who needs it a virtual slap-- self included.

EDIT 2: I admit to having little tolerance for martyrdom, so mea culpa. I do however publicly apologize to sapporo for letting my irritation with his constant complaints get under my skin, and reacting inappropriately.
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2007-03-31 , 20:47
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post
I can understand the "ease" of this but think about what you are asking a paying customer to do. Why should I have to get a Linux flasher, reset a problem with Nokia software. This device, in its current version, will always be a developers toy. Statements as such continue to validate this. This is supposed to be a production device, but as you just illustrated it is not ready.
You do highlight a problem -- when I got bitten by this bug myself, I sent my device in for servicing, and the repair center was not aware of this common problem -- they asked Nokia to replace the device, but I found out about the software issue first and asked for the device to be returned unrepaired.

Nokia definitely should ensure that
1) their repair centers know how to diagnose the tablets
2) common problems are highlighted on their support page
3) a live CD should be provided that you can just boot and will automate the repair task

After all, I can't imagine how much they are losing from users returning devices that are fine hardware-wise.

The new firmware is supposed to be less prone to the constant-rebooting issue, though.
 
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2007-03-31 , 21:04
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You underscored my point exactly. As I said several times, but will say again for the edification of some here, after looking at the N800 in a different light, I realize it has shortcomings but these are easy to overlook when viewed from a different prospective.

The current rebooting and repair options are unacceptable considering that money that Nokia is asking for this device. I am scheduled to head to Iraq for a few days and had planned to leave my computer behind as I will have access to wifi in Iraq. However, the rebooting issue had given me pause. This is an issue that "pure endusers" should not and probably do not want to deal with. Does this make us technically-challenged? Not in my case, it does how ever make me annoyed.

Anyway, if you can read this, you have a good point. Nokia is spend a bit of dosh on something that is probably easily fixed.
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