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Originally Posted by late666
I am making every effort to distinguish between the two cases, which is why I specifically use phrases like constructive criticism as a preferred mode and flaming/disruption as ill-received.
I completely agree.
I wouldn't stand for someone coming here with the intent of disrupting and annoying..
Thing is.. Some of them just seem genuinely unhappy with their n900, or the n900 in general.. Some of them don't even express themselves that bad..
Ahh, never mind, I think we're on the same page here, I agree that flame boys should not be given the right to bother us.. We just don't agree on what a flame boy is (Grr, did I just merge fan boy and flame troll or is this an actual term? Well you know what I mean..)..
You know, it's just that I look down on all those apple fan boys.. And then I see the same thing happening from our side.. Disappointing..
We might actually agree more on what a "flame boy" is except that I get the feeling you've missed some important comments on this subject. Also, your original post here seems to start off defending one individual (who really wasn't that bad if we are thinking of the same one) but then you start generalizing.
But still: even though in a perfect world we would think that provocative words fail to stick, the reality is that they do. The guy I'm referring to made the mistake of using charged words and generalizing to an extreme, which will never be met well in a community. To his credit, however, he did acknowledge his errors-- as opposed to the outright trolls/flamers who I think are very obvious.
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2009-12-16
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Originally Posted by late666
I can assure you that developers, long time maemo members, myself, and even 2009 newcomers have expressed negative opinions about the N900. The difference is presentation. How you present your opinion. If you say X product sucks on X product's forum you are going get the same result.
Anyone who thinks the n900 is less than perfect is referred to as a troll, has their opinions dismissed, and gets bashed.
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They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2009-12-16
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Also, your original post here seems to start off defending one individual (who really wasn't that bad if we are thinking of the same one) but then you start generalizing.
Yeah, you're right.. But I did see this on many other occasions on the forum..
But maybe I'm reading too much into this..
I just don't want to see this community reduced to a bunch of 14 y/o apple flaming fanboys with an n900 for an iphone.
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My only comment is this. There is a thread on here that has many, many pages and was started by someone who preferred the iPhone after having an N900. It's not worth me digging in a pinpointing people or anything - but after reading about halfway through all the pages, I then just skipped to the end and read the last few.
I came quickly to the conclusion that the Pro-N900 people made (as a whole, or just the bad ones left a strong enough impression) more of a complete *ss of themselves than the Anti-N900 crowd did. It was damn near shameful.
This is just my opinion... but I have read in a few different cases (not just that thread), where someone said something negative about the N900 and were frustrated - who then got attacked by someone else for being a Fanboy. I just hope this level of response hasn't become the "norm" around here.
I think people miss the fact that when someone spends $600 on a phone, and it fails to do something they want... they get frustrated. Frustrated people tend to use very heated words when describing why they are frustrated. People should not take this personally and instead try to help said person get through it.. or simply wave them on their way to their next $600 phone, which will have problems, and they can go be frustrated at that community over it.
(But: to address some of what Texrat said... People that really dislike the N900/8**/Nokia... should just leave. There is absolutely nothing constructive about popping your head into every thread to mention how much Nokia/Maemo/Linux/This Forum/That Device sucks. That's just a pest.)
I came quickly to the conclusion that the Pro-N900 people made (as a whole, or just the bad ones left a strong enough impression) more of a complete *ss of themselves than the Anti-N900 crowd did. It was damn near shameful.
This is just my opinion... but I have read in a few different cases (not just that thread), where someone said something negative about the N900 and were frustrated - who then got attacked by someone else for being a Fanboy. I just hope this level of response hasn't become the "norm" around here.
I think people miss the fact that when someone spends $600 on a phone, and it fails to do something they want... they get frustrated. Frustrated people tend to use very heated words when describing why they are frustrated. People should not take this personally and instead try to help said person get through it.. or simply wave them on their way to their next $600 phone, which will have problems, and they can go be frustrated at that community over it.
(But: to address some of what Texrat said... People that really dislike the N900/8**/Nokia... should just leave. There is absolutely nothing constructive about popping your head into every thread to mention how much Nokia/Maemo/Linux/This Forum/That Device sucks. That's just a pest.)
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2009-12-16
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
I agree with a single caveat: I think those posts are fairly easy to identify over those with a pure bashing agenda. I have let numerous posts fitting the above description go, by considering the full context, but I have a huge problem with fire ant nest building.
I think people miss the fact that when someone spends $600 on a phone, and it fails to do something they want... they get frustrated. Frustrated people tend to use very heated words when describing why they are frustrated. People should not take this personally and instead try to help said person get through it.. or simply wave them on their way to their next $600 phone, which will have problems, and they can go be frustrated at that community over it.
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2009-12-16
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Everything would be better solved with a system like in Engadget... more than 3 dislikes and BAM! someones opinion is not shown... Could even be something like likes x dislikes to determine if the post should be shown.
This is useful in cases of Off-Topic. I guarantee you that in development specific sub-forums this "dislike" function will barely be used
This is useful in cases of Off-Topic. I guarantee you that in development specific sub-forums this "dislike" function will barely be used
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2009-12-16
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Yeah the problem with that is HangLoose is all you need is 3 jerks that don't like your phone to go through and "dislike" everyone that posts a Pro for your device.
People do tend to suck, unfortunately. I don't know how engadget works, but something like what you said could maybe work if like: A) You required X amount of "thanked" posts before you get a "dislike" vote... B) You get a very limited number of "dislikes" per period.. C) some other limiting factor that someone comes up with.
People do tend to suck, unfortunately. I don't know how engadget works, but something like what you said could maybe work if like: A) You required X amount of "thanked" posts before you get a "dislike" vote... B) You get a very limited number of "dislikes" per period.. C) some other limiting factor that someone comes up with.
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2009-12-16
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Originally Posted by HangLoose
The problem is we have at least that many who vote down on more of a personal vendetta basis than anything helpful or meaningful to the community. The threshold needs to be higher.... I just don't know how high.
Everything would be better solved with a system like in Engadget... more than 3 dislikes and BAM! someones opinion is not shown... Could even be something like likes x dislikes to determine if the post should be shown.
This is useful in cases of Off-Topic. I guarantee you that in development specific sub-forums this "dislike" function will barely be used
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2009-12-16
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Dear users.
please quit your crying.
respectfully, phreck.
please quit your crying.
respectfully, phreck.
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I wouldn't stand for someone coming here with the intent of disrupting and annoying..
Thing is.. Some of them just seem genuinely unhappy with their n900, or the n900 in general.. Some of them don't even express themselves that bad..
Ahh, never mind, I think we're on the same page here, I agree that flame boys should not be given the right to bother us.. We just don't agree on what a flame boy is (Grr, did I just merge fan boy and flame troll or is this an actual term? Well you know what I mean..)..
You know, it's just that I look down on all those apple fan boys.. And then I see the same thing happening from our side.. Disappointing..