But since your opinion is the same as mine, it need no longer be considered humble.

If you design an OS whose UI is the browser, that's one thing. But if I have a browser running on top of an OS then it's just another layer to suck CPU cycles. In the same way that I shouldn't have to run OpenOffice in the background if all I want to do is surf the Internet, I shouldn't have to run Firefox (or Chrome) in the background if all I want to do is edit a spreadsheet.

these sort of threads make me wanna send back my nokia-- its like geek v cool ..

the iphone is great

the n900 is great

end of story..

the iphone is also a very finished product and does exactly what it says on the tin.. even without the apps it is still exceptional at what it does..

not sure why you guys detest to much- is it because you know how good the iphone is and it hurts bad..

Do all the similar posturings by Apple fanboys make you want to send back your iPhone?

I don't think anyone here really detests the iPhone. It's just considered more of an item for beginners, a n00bie-friendly smartphone not intended for serious power users. And seriously, it's not all that good.

But what users here really object to (at least I do). what gets 'em fired up, is the iPhone/Apple philosophy of a totally closed , controlled system where Secretive Steve & Co. decides what's best for us - then makes us pay through the wazoo for it. This is, of course, almost 180 degrees opposite of the Maemo/Nokia OSS approach.

Philosophical issues always bring out the passion in people...

Lets take this back from the two utopias argument - beneficial dictator vs free society.

This is about a different approach and direction to where the market can go because of evolving technology.

trust the iphone is that good- and no its not for noobs at all, its for people that want a phone to do things well, they want to view the odd web page on the train, they want to txt, they want to make calls, they want to send emails, they want apps to be entertained--- thats it.. most people are not noobs(they really have no intention of learning), they just dont care about what nokia can achieve, most people will just laugh at you when you mention x terminal, ssh or a game from 1990..

everyone seems to have ago at the market leader- well thats fine but i dont see people haveing a pop at android or winmo(they are trying to acheive the same as apple- just not as good at it)

gotta respect apple for what they have acheived here..

and if it wasnt for apple -- would we have seen android(as good as it is)/ win mobile 7 as quick as we will, or maemo on a mobile phone- i very much doubt it!!!

apple has played its part in bringing us maemo 5 on a mobile, just in the same way(hopefully) nokia is helping us getting a fully functional pc in our pocket quicker.

i love the fact that nokia has brought this device- i love it ,the future is drawing closer, but i completly undferstand why the majority of people just dont give a %$^&...

try to stay on topic guys with the OP with regards to mozilla developing for browser based apps for major mobile OS's

as much as i like a web browser i agree with DaveP1 with regards to cpu being eaten up by and application to run an application.

Small apps with fewer threads can run faster then one based inside a larger app with alot more threads.