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2010-01-09 , 00:20
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ROFL... man YoDude I wanna thank your post.
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OrangeBox is offline OrangeBox
2010-01-09 , 00:24
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Originally Posted by YoDude View Post
Don't they require research anymore when pursuing a Masters degree? Do you need to cite the sources of your insight or can you now pretty much make stuff up as you go along?
Sure, next time I will post my references. Do you prefer MLA or APA citation format? Also do you want peer-reviewed journal references or prefer conference papers? I can also have each of my responses proof read and double spaced as well. You can also pick English, Cantonese, Mandarin or Russian as these are the languages I can write in.
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2010-01-09 , 00:25
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#63
@YoDude,
Damn.... Nice.
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2010-01-09 , 00:30
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox View Post
All Apache is doing is serving dumb HTML pages. It is good for nothing but that. Each serious site that has Apache as a front facing web server has another real web server doing the heavy lifting in the middle-tier: IIS, WebSphere, Weblogic. Pick your poison.

That's why all those stats are skewed. Apache is nothing but a very simple fast web-server that on its own is good for nothing. It always has to rely on some commercial middle-tier.
No. When people want a simple fast web server with any serious load, they don't use Apache as the front end. It is not that good at high performance static serving. What it's good at is versatility. It's fine for medium performance static serving, but so is almost anything.

Yes, Apache is often in front of something else generating non-static pages. Most often something in PHP, Python, Perl or Java.

But that is true of IIS also. It's true of almost every web server. It's how web architecture works, for the most part.

Apache is unlikely to be the front end to a Windows-based page generation system, simply because many of them are suited to working with IIS, especially the .NET ones. Which tells you everything you need to know about what backends are widely used when Apache is leading the stats at the front end....
 
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2010-01-09 , 00:32
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#65
YouDude wrto to your bank using Apache, did you actually read what you posted?

"IBM Apache web server"? I didn't know such thing existed.

Then the next line talks about using it with WebSphere

Thank you for supporting my original argument that Apache alone is nothing.
 
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2010-01-09 , 00:35
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Originally Posted by jjx View Post
Apache is unlikely to be the front end to a Windows-based page generation system, simply because many of them are suited to working with IIS, especially the .NET ones. Which tells you everything you need to know about what backends are widely used when Apache is leading the stats at the front end....
Untrue. That's what JK2 connector is used for. Also your claim of Apache is not good at serving static html is simply wrong.

That's the only thing Apache is good at to be clustered behind a load balancer serving up dummy pages.
 
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2010-01-09 , 05:10
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox View Post
OK, so for the Apache crowd out there:

Name a bank, insurance company, major online retailer, a government agency or anything that of high importance that uses Apache.
Does your criteria keep changing? Someone answers your question then you modify your parameters so that their answer isn't sufficient.... Annoying.
 
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2010-01-09 , 05:13
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox View Post
YouDude wrto to your bank using Apache, did you actually read what you posted?

"IBM Apache web server"? I didn't know such thing existed.

Then the next line talks about using it with WebSphere

Thank you for supporting my original argument that Apache alone is nothing.
Wasn't your original argument that no one used Apache, then it evolved into to it's nothing by itself, so that your argument would be able to stand... sort of...?

You'd be great in Politics. You'd vow to close down Gitmo and then when you realized it wasn't going to be so easy you'd simply change the name and say you kept your promise.
 
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2010-01-09 , 06:05
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Guys don't waste your time. If you look through the thread OB is the only person in here that has, not once, provided any supporting evidence or reference materials to his claims, statistics, or arguments. Not one. Even being rebutted time and time again, and proved false, time and time again - he does not even provide supporting documentation to his failing side of the argument.

Arguing with someone like that is entirely futile, and completely pointless. Until OB comes back with something that is actually worth discussing (a study, statistc, *something*) - then we can all pretty much just figure he's lost. One thing you learn in Debate, is you don't need to change the mind of your opponent - you need to change the minds of the listeners. If any *reasonable* person finds their way to this thread with similar opinions to OB's.. they would be convinced by now.

I don't know why I'm trying ... I know I'll just be ignored.. and people will continue to try and argue with a brick wall. Oh well.. I feel a tad better.
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2010-01-09 , 07:06
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Originally Posted by flux41 View Post
There within lies the problem with the argument. ISS contains more than just HTTP/s serving.
ISS's core doesn't do much, but with the gazillions of software modules it does much more. So does Apache with it's module. Go visit apache.org sometime. It's an enormous, sprawling suite of software products these days.

Originally Posted by flux41 View Post
As far as enterprise implementation, the reason why bank, large companies, etc use ISS or something similar is that they can sue the crap out Microsoft if the system is compromised. In every large company/organization I have ever worked for, I have asked why they used commercial products such as ISS over open source and the answer has always been “to have somebody to hold liable when it all goes down.”
Only stupid management does that - because nobody can sue Microsoft over something like that and win. Anyone who thinks otherwise is covering their personal arse with false security. Of course it doesn't matter if they can get away with it to other stupid management, until it really does all go down, and then they're out of there. Certainly not suing Microsoft - if it came to anyone asking, lawyers would advise them not to waste their money.
 
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