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2010-02-01
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Originally Posted by crown77
Of course! It's definitely a plus, but it does result in these sort of issues being visible.
But to see the Bugzilla is a feature about the open source i guess
Originally Posted by crown77
That's down to numbers - there'll be way more E51 sales than N800/N810 sales (several orders of magnitude). In addition, the S60 codebase is probably very coherent - a lot of fixes made for the latest models can trivially be rolled out for older models. Maemo isn't (currently) like that - m4/m5/m6 have all had radical changes, making it pretty much impossible to back port fixes (when Qt4.6 comes to m5, this may well make it easier to back port m6 updates/fixes though).
but if i look at my years old e51 they had there last fw .. in the middle of the last year so its still under support by nokia. If you look at the older Maemo Devices here on the Forum when was there last official Update from Nokia?
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2010-02-01
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Originally Posted by cashclientel
This is only a gut feeling but I might put it this way.. "I can't see Android on N900 ever being 'better' than Maemo 5."
@crown77
I wasn't really talking about bare minimum bug fixes approach we have from Nokia. In switching to Andriod you've got a big step forwards in terms of:
Features
Reliability
Support
Applications
I can't see Maemo 5 ever being 'better' than Andriod (and I know we all love MicroB). In 12 months time Andriod will be moving forwards with a rapid progress and Maemo 5 will be dying. Switching seems logical for all concerned, especially Google who could capture a massive market here.
I'm not sure now, but has Android ever been ported to any phone originally running some other OS so that it would've had more features, reliability, support and applications? It's a non-trivial job and even big manufacturers like SE seem to be having trouble with it.
I'd guess a community port of Maemo 6 on N900 would be more feasible and worth putting work into? Though your mileage may vary and all that jazz..
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2010-02-01
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It makes much more sense to continue to improve maemo rather than android.
At a minimum android is has a linux kernel (heavily modified?) and thier own version of glib libraries - this essentially makes porting exsisting Linux apps very, very difficult.
However, maemo is much more aligned with the open-source philosophy. The kernel & many libraries(including glib) are closer to linux and means porting apps is much, much easier.
There is nothing wronhg with android running on the n900 but makes much more sense to continue with maemo.
At a minimum android is has a linux kernel (heavily modified?) and thier own version of glib libraries - this essentially makes porting exsisting Linux apps very, very difficult.
However, maemo is much more aligned with the open-source philosophy. The kernel & many libraries(including glib) are closer to linux and means porting apps is much, much easier.
There is nothing wronhg with android running on the n900 but makes much more sense to continue with maemo.
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2010-02-01
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Originally Posted by jsa
If Google ported it properly it would be. 'Better' is ambiguous but I think for all but the Linux hardcore, Android is a better user experience at the moment.
This is only a gut feeling but I might put it this way.. "I can't see Android on N900 ever being 'better' than Maemo 5."
Originally Posted by jsa
SE are manging quite well (X10 anyone?). At the moment they're mainly WinMO based. The OS runs, it's just a matter of drivers and optimisation. These big companies have the capacity to do this with ease.
I'm not sure now, but has Android ever been ported to any phone originally running some other OS so that it would've had more features, reliability, support and applications? It's a non-trivial job and even big manufacturers like SE seem to be having trouble with it.
Originally Posted by jsa
Community hacks/ports of Andriod or Maemo 6 are not the answer.
I'd guess a community port of Maemo 6 on N900 would be more feasible and worth putting work into? Though your mileage may vary and all that jazz..
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2010-02-01
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there will never be an o.s running for more than 2consecutive years on nokia/maemo as future hardware will well exceed the performance in light years to come as comparison to the n900.
Welcome to the future it whats to be expected
Welcome to the future it whats to be expected
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2010-02-01
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Originally Posted by cashclientel
I have the Motorola Droid for work and development, but I don't see "a better user experience" at the moment.
Android is a better user experience at the moment.
In fact my user expereince on N900 is better.
Each OEM still needs to do their portings of Andorid to their devices, CPU is part of the hardware, and on top of that to provide a different UI to distinguish themselves from the others. Since their is no OEM that makes Android for N900, the "support" of that would only come from the community.
If Nokia dropped support on N900, why would you think there would be any better community support of Android on N900?
I'm certain the community support of Maemo on N900 is larger than the community support, if there is any, of Andorid on N900.
It just like Mac OSX can run on many PCs but it also has numerous problems with drivers and software unless the PC has exact match of Mac hardware. The Hackintosh scene is largely support by the community and still a lot of issues have been solved.
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2010-02-01
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Originally Posted by cashclientel
You're sick! Go to the doctor!
One of my biggest concerns with the N900 is that the OS (and community) will dry up as soon as the next device comes out sporting Maemo 6.
Andriod runs on ARM phones and is largely open source, so could it not be ported to run on the N900? Seems like a logical step for everyone to jump ship when Maemo 5 is terminated?
Now I think about it, there could be a massive coup sitting here if Google can release a version of Android that can run optimised on the N900. I'm sure a lot of people would switch given the choice.
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2010-02-01
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Considering some people still support the 770 and lot's of people work on mer for the n8x0 I would rest assured the n900 has a long life in front of it
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2010-02-01
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If people here want android - buy an android phone!
The n900 was designed and built with maemo in mind.
The n900 is not an entertainment device it is more a practical computer/mobile phone (in my humble opinion).
If you want shiny guis, apps and entertainment then there are numerous android phones and iPhones to choose from.
It is entirely up to you, they are good phones and people enjoy having them.
It would be great if android could run on the n900 and would be quite an interesting project.
If people think android is "better" than maemo then that's fine.
But to come onto a maemo-focused forum and say "..android should run on it instead of maemo because it is better.." is ******ed.
Why are you here and why buy an n900(if you did)?
I'm all for intelligent constructive criticism and debating merits of different platforms/OSes - that's fine.
If Nokia do decide to ignore the n900 then the community will still develop software for it. I can develop software for it - it's open source. This also means that maemo & Mer can continue to improve without Nokia's influence.
Maybe my next phone will be an android-based phone - I'll see in a couple of years or so.
I'm generally happy with maemo on the n900 and will personally support it. If I can run android on it too that would be a bonus but not essential to me personally.
The n900 was designed and built with maemo in mind.
The n900 is not an entertainment device it is more a practical computer/mobile phone (in my humble opinion).
If you want shiny guis, apps and entertainment then there are numerous android phones and iPhones to choose from.
It is entirely up to you, they are good phones and people enjoy having them.
It would be great if android could run on the n900 and would be quite an interesting project.
If people think android is "better" than maemo then that's fine.
But to come onto a maemo-focused forum and say "..android should run on it instead of maemo because it is better.." is ******ed.
Why are you here and why buy an n900(if you did)?
I'm all for intelligent constructive criticism and debating merits of different platforms/OSes - that's fine.
If Nokia do decide to ignore the n900 then the community will still develop software for it. I can develop software for it - it's open source. This also means that maemo & Mer can continue to improve without Nokia's influence.
Maybe my next phone will be an android-based phone - I'll see in a couple of years or so.
I'm generally happy with maemo on the n900 and will personally support it. If I can run android on it too that would be a bonus but not essential to me personally.
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I wasn't really talking about bare minimum bug fixes approach we have from Nokia. In switching to Andriod you've got a big step forwards in terms of:
Features
Reliability
Support
Applications
I can't see Maemo 5 ever being 'better' than Andriod (and I know we all love MicroB). In 12 months time Andriod will be moving forwards with a rapid progress and Maemo 5 will be dying. Switching seems logical for all concerned, especially Google who could capture a massive market here.
Nokia are a business and have chosen a path of using the OSS community phenomenon to reduce their overheads specifically after sales support and development. Unlike Apple who do the opposite and make a killing from their Applications store.