Originally Posted by testerj

Well good for you... go join the fanboy club... I haven't found any application thats bug free... when sending emails it doesn't know when to properly capatilize things.. the touch screen works ok some times.. then others it doesn't...

If you think it's a finished product great, maybe I should become a salesperson so I can sell you some bird poop and tell you it's a 3 course meal

Originally Posted by nedim

It's funny how people expect a $350 device (N800) to be all end all device. My brother just bought new GPS for his car, paid $500+ and it doesn't even play music. My GPS has bigger screen, and I can do a lot more on it and I paid $550 (N800+Navicore).

I'd say sure, as a pub conversation, the iPhone and N800 are comparable, but just the price difference (price of the iPhone + 2 year contract) puts these two devices in two different categories.

At least in US people have gotten used to paying little or nothing for their phone. Even with all the shinny icons, It's going to be a hard sell for Apple to get _masses_ to buy into it. Sure there will be following, and yes it will be bigger then the one N800 has, but iPhone is not going to take over the world. The only way this could happen is for Apple to offer it for $99 plus 2yr contract. Thats how Motorola did it with RAZR. Thats how we buy our phones in the US. And yes, there are people who can buy N95 for $800 (I wish I was one of them) but they are the tiny minority.

Originally Posted by Rider

Before you become a salesperson, you had better grow up first and learn how to talk with adult people.

Originally Posted by sapporobaby

Hmmmm...... Considering Apple is selling a boat load of iPods pretty much the same way the are selling the iPhone, I would say that your supposition is way off. To compare an iPhone to an N800 is once again proof (in my opinion) that the US is immature when it comes to moblie telephony. The RAZR was a big hit with women who wanted a small compact, colorful device that did not do very much and had rudimentary features that were already prevalent in European and Japanese handsets. The iPhone will sell based on hype, ease of use, feature sets, and a reliability factor (this has not been proven yet but considering the failure rates of other devices, the iPhone should hold up well), integration with iTunes. People forget that the killer app that made the iPod was iTunes. With seamless integration and a duplicated ease of use, the iPhone will be viewed as an extension to those that have an iPod but want to have a phone with them as well as a device for the MASS CONSUMER MARKET which the N800 is not nor ever will be.

Originally Posted by sherifnix

I didn't say _I_ think its a consumer device. I said Nokia wants this to be a consumer device.

A cross-over device like the iPhone will eliminate Nokia's target market.

If your iPhone is sitting on the coffee table in front of you, and it can visit the same sites just as well, then you wouldn't think of purchasing an N800.

You have to assume the iPhone is just the beginning. If it reaches critical mass and we're all walking around with browsers in our pocket for $299, who is going to want an N800?

Someone will just write web applications to provide the geek stuff like ssh, vnc, etc...

If your iPhone is sitting on the coffee table in front of you, and it can visit the same sites just as well, then you wouldn't think of purchasing an N800.