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yoush is offline yoush
2010-02-22 , 17:28
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#51
Looks like we are talking about several different activities here.

One is about make existing n900 system debian-based.
Other is about "package bits from meego.com ..." written by jak just above.

I really don't want to separate those into separate projects.

My goal is to make my existing phone - n900 - debian-based, while keeping all of it's current functionality both while in progress and after done. I'm not against running existing nokia apps within debian infrastructure; value I'm looking for is (1) debian's reliable packaging system, (2) software from debian archive.

I'm not aware of this already done - not in mer, not in pkg-maemo.

This work and work to package meego bits will perfectly complement each other - in future.
 
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2010-02-22 , 17:37
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#52
Originally Posted by jak View Post
Packaging stuff from Maemo 5 is not part of my agenda, and is already done to a certain extent (e.g. hildon) by the pkg-maemo team on Alioth (pkg-maemo-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org).
If you mean the free packages, then yes, we should ideally use the Debian versions and, if Nokia has not already done its job, send all Maemo-specific patches upstream. If you don't want break your N900, then you have to repackage the Nokia binaries. otherwise...
My goal is to package bits from meego.com, and parts needed to boot Debian on the N900; and install this onto the eMMC. This is a relatively simple and straight forward task. And many things, such as oFono, are already packaged.
..you're refering to the existing Mer project, which has only limited support for the N900's features. You basically plan to continue porting Mer to the N900 or even to repeat the failed Deblet experiment?
The project is not end-user oriented (at least not before Q3/2010), but completely Developer oriented. The first stable release with MeeGo packages (Debian 7.0) will be in 2012 anyway.
you mean the project you have in mind?
I disagree. The project I have in mind should start with a working Maemo5 and continuously turn it into a Debian or Ubuntu derivate with as few as necessary binary Nokia packages. The result would be a "Maemo5 done right".

Once MeeGo releases some code we can integrate their stack and UI.
Until then we can already play with the existing Moblin packages.
If you only intend to package the future MeeGo components, there is no conflict of interest as it would be a subproject of my larger plan.
Alioth will provide git repositories and mailing lists; and that's all that is needed for this project.
IMHO a wiki or homepage with information for developers and end-user
as well a bugtracker would be necessary as well.
 
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2010-02-22 , 18:14
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#53
Originally Posted by titan View Post
If you mean the free packages, then yes, we should ideally use the Debian versions and, if Nokia has not already done its job, send all Maemo-specific patches upstream. If you don't want break your N900, then you have to repackage the Nokia binaries. otherwise.....you're refering to the existing Mer project, which has only limited support for the N900's features. You basically plan to continue porting Mer to the N900 or even to repeat the failed Deblet experiment? you mean the project you have in mind?
I disagree.
Start with a pure Debian system and add all the packages needed. It's similar to Mer in concept, but based on Debian and MeeGo; instead of Ubuntu and Maemo.

Originally Posted by titan View Post
The project I have in mind should start with a working Maemo5 and continuously turn it into a Debian or Ubuntu derivate with as few as necessary binary Nokia packages. The result would be a "Maemo5 done right".
Then your project is very different from my idea. Although your project idea could use the parts created by the project I have planned.

Originally Posted by titan View Post
IMHO a wiki or homepage with information for developers and end-user as well a bugtracker would be necessary as well.
Not for my plans. A wiki is at wiki.debian.org, and bugs are tracked per-package on bugs.debian.org.
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2010-02-22 , 18:23
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#54
Originally Posted by jak View Post
Start with a pure Debian system and add all the packages needed. It's similar to Mer in concept, but based on Debian and MeeGo; instead of Ubuntu and Maemo.
how does it differ from what stskeeps described http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=25
why repeat the same mistakes?
Then your project is very different from my idea. Although your project idea could use the parts created by the project I have planned.
fine with me. Would you mind if I refer to your project as "MeeGo for Debian"?
 
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2010-02-22 , 18:44
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Originally Posted by titan View Post
how does it differ from what stskeeps described http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=25
why repeat the same mistakes?
Because that's the way things should be done; inside the distribution, instead of creating a new one. But if there are the packages, one can of course use them and create a specialized distribution.
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2010-02-22 , 18:52
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#56
Originally Posted by titan View Post
Would you mind if I refer to your project as "MeeGo for Debian"?
You can also call it the way you want to; there is no name yet.

But for your project, you should not use the 'Debian' as part of your project name (e.g. not Debian/MeeGo). A distribution derived from the Debian packages could be called e.g. 'Demo GNU/Linux' (De=Debian,Mo=Mobile); although I guess such a name would be hard to google.
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2010-02-22 , 19:00
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#57
Originally Posted by jak View Post
Because that's the way things should be done; inside the distribution, instead of creating a new one. But if there are the packages, one can of course use them and create a specialized distribution.
I have no plans to create specialized distribution in the sense of tailoring and rebuilding all packages.
Ideally, all packages incl. Maemo and MeeGo components should be installed from the Debian repositories and only device specific and some essential packages (e.g., upstart scripts) would be stored in a separate repository. The Nokia binaries would be automatically converted from the firmware on-device.
The Maemo extras repository or a repository with automatically rebuild packages could be imported as well.

For the name I currently prefer Moebian.
 
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2010-02-22 , 19:18
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#58
As far as I understood, pkg-meego on alioth is not going to be our hosting for "repackage maemo5 in debian way" effort.

We badly need a minimal hosting - mailing list for discussion, wiki to place matherials into, git or other scm to store created code, and maybe some sort of ticket system to track activity.

E.g. I have some comments about roadmap posted to existing wiki page, but there is no proper medium to post those .
 
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2010-02-22 , 19:22
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#59
Originally Posted by yoush View Post
As far as I understood, pkg-meego on alioth is not going to be our hosting for "repackage maemo5 in debian way" effort.

We badly need a minimal hosting - mailing list for discussion, wiki to place matherials into, git or other scm to store created code, and maybe some sort of ticket system to track activity.

E.g. I have some comments about roadmap posted to existing wiki page, but there is no proper medium to post those .
How about talking to the pkg-maemo (http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-maemo) admins then?

The pkg-meego project will probably host most of the meego.com packaging and stuff like oFono (depending on the maintainer's agreement); or in short, the whole new stuff.
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2010-02-22 , 19:44
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#60
Just posted a question to pkg-maemo-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org
 

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