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2010-02-26 , 23:58
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Originally Posted by Tex14 View Post
LOL. Another NOKIA apologizer, afraid to peek out of his cave. How much is daddy's allowance?
Your 2nd deterioration is as fascinating as your first.

After you realized you purchased the wrong device, you panicked. That's understandable. But instead of taking responsibility for your poor decision making, you immaturely turned yourself against the world. Sadly, deep down you know you have no one to blame but yourself, but your stunted personality development won't allow you to take the blame. Now, your self-loathing is continually at odds with your self-preservation instinct, and this seems to be causing a form of schizophrenia. Not good.

Please seek help and come see us when you're better.
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2010-02-27 , 01:49
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#72
Originally Posted by daperl View Post
Your 2nd deterioration is as fascinating as your first.

After you realized you purchased the wrong device, you panicked. That's understandable. But instead of taking responsibility for your poor decision making, you immaturely turned yourself against the world. Sadly, deep down you know you have no one to blame but yourself, but your stunted personality development won't allow you to take the blame. Now, your self-loathing is continually at odds with your self-preservation instinct, and this seems to be causing a form of schizophrenia. Not good.

Please seek help and come see us when you're better.
Lol. This kind of reasoning may work in Afghanistan. Here in more enlightened countries CONSUMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. do you Get it boy?
 
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2010-02-27 , 05:00
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#73
Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
No DRM solution can be considered secure when the user still has the ability to replace the kernel.
Not true. There are models then open source kernel and DRM do coexist together.
 
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2010-02-27 , 05:53
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Originally Posted by egoshin View Post
Not true. There are models then open source kernel and DRM do coexist together.
Usually whereby the open source kernel is signed, such that:
- The system will not boot if the wrong kernel is in place
- The system will disable DRM if the wrong kernel is in place.

DRM as required (err, petulantly demanded) by 3rd parties, generally requires top down security such that the:

TPM chip trusts the
boot loader which trusts the
kernel which trusts the
application

And if anything along that chain is broken the DRM can be compromised. Anything else is just intense obfuscation that can be broken by those with the necessary time (see AACS and software BD players.)
 

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2010-02-27 , 23:32
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Usually whereby the open source kernel is signed, such that:
- The system will not boot if the wrong kernel is in place
- The system will disable DRM if the wrong kernel is in place.

DRM as required (err, petulantly demanded) by 3rd parties, generally requires top down security such that the:

TPM chip trusts the
boot loader which trusts the
kernel which trusts the
application

And if anything along that chain is broken the DRM can be compromised. Anything else is just intense obfuscation that can be broken by those with the necessary time (see AACS and software BD players.)
I am not very knowledgeable regarding DRM solutions for ME. This signing of the kernel - does it apply to kernel modules as well. I would assume it does as they are not in user space?

I would pretty much be willing to accept restrictions regarding the bootloader and the kernel in itself as I've never really done anything in those areas. The modules are a different as they pretty much limit what you have support for.
 
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2010-02-28 , 01:06
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Originally Posted by Tex14 View Post
Read what NOKIA leadership says. They are hurting. They are regrouping and they know where they have to be. And that is in the most competitive market for high end phones, and it aint India.
It isn't the US either.
 
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2010-03-09 , 11:16
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#77
Nokia is still the worlds leading high end phone maker.

However, with the iPhone, Apple brought the market to the 'mobile computers'. The place to make money has moved on. The phone component has matured to a commodity.

The n900 is actually a very impressive device, however, with the iPhone it is the ecosystem that has generated success. For Nokia to succeed, they need to claim their own ecosystem. The n900 already has established a base with the very tech savvy users, but Nokia overall needs to LEAD with a mainstream ecosystem to succeed in 'mobile computers'.

Nokia can play catch up with apps, with music and with maps. But they need to take a LEAD, not just follow, in a mainstream ecosystem. Actually, there are some real opportunities up for grabs in the next ecosystems.....the worry is if they get too stuck in the catch up to take a lead
 

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