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2010-02-28 , 09:23
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#51
I know multitouch keeps on being mentioned but surely even a multitouch capable device has to also work without multitouch. What about one handed use, or people who find the two handed operation difficult.

M6 adds support for multitouch, but no reason it should require it. So no problem, those capabilities wouldn't work on N900, but then Windows touch screen support doesn't work on my laptop (it doesn't have a touch panel!)
 
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2010-02-28 , 12:02
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Originally Posted by sophocha View Post
I`ll be happy my Budha friend when Nokia brings me my navigation software that they promised, and then who knows, maybe I`ll become a Budhist!
Voice guidance on the path to Nirvana would be handy indeed.
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2010-02-28 , 13:20
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
People want official support so they will not feel left behind. It's not that it will bring anything new to the table other than lessen the buyer's remorse that we're witnessing. And that's not exactly a bad thing.
The bad thing is that it's a completely false sense of security. Okay, let's say Nokia officially does MeeGo for the N900. That will likely kill off most of the existing Maemo 5 work (yes, there is plenty of things going on for those who care to look at gitorious or b.m.o). How much will that allieviate the remorse when you realize it's fairly incompatible with Harmattan, requires separate distribution mechanisms and is completely unsupported by Ovi (even if it pulls itself together), and will see the light of day somewhere in 2012, when the hardware will be outdated ? Is that the sense of security people really want ?

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Neither is community support. It has yielded nothing as far as the OS goes. Only the applications that go into it might get some updates.
And why is that ? Is it because the community devs are incompetent unmotivated persons, or maybe it has more to do with the windmill fight with closed components, drivers, legal obstacles and similar ?
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2010-02-28 , 14:12
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I don't think anyone is complaining about new hardware. N900 is a great piece of hardware, and I'm sure the coming Meego device from Nokia is even faster. Just as the 3GS is a lot faster than 2G/3G. BUT those old iPhones still run the exactly same OS and the same apps. That's why the iPhone has so many apps(most are rubbish of course).

Jaaksi and all other Nokia people have very strictly avoided saying anything about Harmattan/Meego on N900. Now why would they do that if they would actually be working on it? I see lots of people here and elsewhere feeling very unsecure about the future(or the lack of it) for the N900, surely announcing Meego for it would increase the sales?

They say the N900 has a great future. But to be honest, all I see is a vague promise of some buxfixes(not big ones though, wasted work for a dead platform so they're in harmattan) and maybe a possibility of some future developers of porting their apps to the N900 (it's not going to run the same apps from OVI store).

The N900 clearly isn't getting any new features. No maps, no portrait. iPhone and Android-devices have set the standard and showed how to properly support a platform and make your customers feel the device actually has a future. Nokia has managed to do quite the opposite.
The issue with the iPhone is very different. They (Apple) don't allow users to multiple task. The hardware in the 3GS is faster, but the screen doesn't need anything more powerful than the 2G had pushing the same resolution. So there would be an expectation that software would run on all devices so far (sans camera).

As far as Nokia making any promises - how many did Apple make about the various releases of the iPhone OS being available on previous iPhones until it was releases - none? It's called under promise, over deliver.

Also bug fixes for Maemo 5 are not wasted on Harmattan. Qtk+ to Qt is the biggest change in Harmattan. That changes the potential look and feel but the underlying API doesn't change (san clutter). For example a fix in Modest is just as important to Harmattan as it is to Maemo 5. The UI will change from Qtk+ to Qt but the mail handling ability doesn't. If anything Nokia is probably only fixing things that are serious bugs in Maemo 5 or relevant bugs to Harmattan.

I make no assumptions on whether Harmattan will be available on the N900, but from everything I've read it's not impossible to do. The only question is how will multi touch support be used in the N9XX and will it be the only way of interacting with the UI (i.e. no +/- zoom or swirl).
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Originally Posted by attila77 View Post
And why is that ? Is it because the community devs are incompetent unmotivated persons, or maybe it has more to do with the windmill fight with closed components, drivers, legal obstacles and similar ?
I think it's because the community will usually do what the company does and go support the newest option. Has absolutely nothing to do with competence or motivation.
 
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2010-02-28 , 16:38
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
I think it's because the community will usually do what the company does and go support the newest option. Has absolutely nothing to do with competence or motivation.
We kinda go where the awesome is.

That being said, the council got Stskeeps hired to promote exactly the kind of legacy support that you're talking about.
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2010-02-28 , 16:48
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That's what I'm saying. The community is free to (and IMHO certainly will) bring MeeGo to the N900 as it's so much eaiser than Mer was. But that is not the point. The point is that MeeGo is not Maemo 6 (or 7), it is a SET of platform related technologies. There is no guarantee that Ovi maps 3 for Harmattan will run on another MeeGo device. That's why this 'official Nokia MeeGo on N900' battle is something that can only end in crying - either because Nokia doesn't do it, or because Nokia DOES do it and then people realize it's not what they wanted.
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The community is not free to port meego to N900 since a lot of N900 interfaces (power, cell network, GPS) are proprietary, so only Nokia can write software to use them.
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Wait a tic. Those things will be just as proprietary in any MeeGo device, too. But then again, those are black box systems, so as long as the necessary kernel link/driver code is open, we're ok. And THAT is something that is worth poking Nokia for, as then we can tap into MeeGo stuff, regardless if a port is done by Nokia or the community.
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From the way it sounds from the above posts... it's like you guys are against upgrades on the N900. Why would you be against that?
 
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