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2010-03-28 , 18:50
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There should not be a main and secondary mode. Whoever and whenever wants landscape uses landscape and vice versa. Accelerometer or hardware key to switch. Plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
I think there's a reason that most handheld devices with similar form factor (elongated rectangular shape + slide out landscape keyboard) defaults to portrait orientation with the 'optional' or secondary landscape mode that gets triggered when the keyboard is slid out.

I'm no ergonomist specialist, but there's something about the default orientation that you'd get when you put that form factor in your hand, and how that is just one step away (one click, one swipe, one whatever) to activating the device to interact with it without having to involve your other hand.
Very well said! I have been reading this thread from the very beginning and I don't know why the argument is getting stretched. One wishes that the portrait mode should be there and the other says that the wish isn't appropriate as the device isn't like most other 'smartphones'. Both have valid points in my opinion and both should acknowledge the other point of view and just take a rest now....

I'm not lecturing anyone, (nor am I 'qualified' to do so) but guys... I think, (and I'm sure others too think likewise), it's enough.
 
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
I think there's a reason that most handheld devices with similar form factor (elongated rectangular shape + slide out landscape keyboard) defaults to portrait orientation with the 'optional' or secondary landscape mode that gets triggered when the keyboard is slid out.

I'm no ergonomist specialist, but there's something about the default orientation that you'd get when you put that form factor in your hand, and how that is just one step away (one click, one swipe, one whatever) to activating the device to interact with it without having to involve your other hand.
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Originally Posted by Corso85 View Post
DUUDE. Read what I'm saying. i gave examples of both keyboard and non-keyboard devices.

HTC Touch Pro 2 and Droid and E75 have keyboards and their default operations are in Portrait!.

Yes Landscape should be the abnormal use status. That's how it is done on all devices. You're saying everyone is wrong? and the n900 is the only one that got it right??

Forcing people to use landscape for everything IS the unnatural way.
I'm begining to think OrangeBox is back. There are plenty of other devices that use landscape including most media players. The device is not primarily a phone, Nokia stated that at the outset and stated their primary use case was for landscape. If typing is the primary use for a device then wasting on screen real estate with a keyboard is daft. Just because a nmber of other devices have portrait doesn't mean it is the best for the device. The E61, the E71 (nokias most popular handset) not to mention the majority or RIM handsets all have landscape. The E75 has a keypad for portrait primary operation so the QWERTY keyboard is not the primary accessible input mechanism, it's also primarily a phone: not the same use case.

The point is that portrait or landscape have their own uses. For the stated use cases envisaged for the N900 the choice of landscape is considered best. If you don't like it then get over yourself.
 
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just my opinion but i do think landscape is right for n900, it is more pc'ish than most phones, but dammit i really want portrait option for a few things, cos its sure more phone'ish than most pc's.
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Originally Posted by Fargus View Post
I'm begining to think OrangeBox is back. There are plenty of other devices that use landscape including most media players. The device is not primarily a phone, Nokia stated that at the outset and stated their primary use case was for landscape. If typing is the primary use for a device then wasting on screen real estate with a keyboard is daft. Just because a nmber of other devices have portrait doesn't mean it is the best for the device. The E61, the E71 (nokias most popular handset) not to mention the majority or RIM handsets all have landscape. The E75 has a keypad for portrait primary operation so the QWERTY keyboard is not the primary accessible input mechanism, it's also primarily a phone: not the same use case.

The point is that portrait or landscape have their own uses. For the stated use cases envisaged for the N900 the choice of landscape is considered best. If you don't like it then get over yourself.
Cleary, now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

There is nothing that hinders the n900 from being what it is, whilst being in Portrait. I'm not saying discard Landscape completely. I'm saying it'll be there when it's needed. Simply the reverse of what is forced now. The "envisaged" uses for the N900 are not from another world. They are the same for other devices. Internet, Browser, SMS, terminal.....Landscape can be an option for any on these. but there is no strong reason for the Menus and home screen to be in landscape.

E61, E71, RIM all have landscape modes. but main is portrait
 
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Originally Posted by Corso85 View Post
E61, E71, RIM all have landscape modes. but main is portrait
More pixels on the bottom than on the side of the screen means landscape I reckon...
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Originally Posted by Corso85 View Post
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E61, E71, RIM all have landscape modes. but main is portrait
No they don't! The first two are landscape only, I'm sat looking at them in case you want to debate that issue too.

A few of the later RIM handsets had portrait mode, but those were for handsets billed primarily as voice devices with ocassional typed input. Maybe they got it wrong which is why the handset and form factor was somehow so sucessful!
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No they don't! The first two are landscape only, I'm sat looking at them in case you want to debate that issue too.
Ah come on man. You know when I say Portrait. I mean vertical operation.

Now you're calling a wide screen aspect ratio landscape?

How do you hold the E71?? Can you not hold it with one hand any type? The new black berry bold 9700. is narrower than the old one for a reason.
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Originally Posted by Corso85 View Post
Cleary, now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
I'd hate for you to feel alone! I am trying to point out that your opinion, as no reasoned case has been put yet, is no more valid than the existing one. The majority of users I have met are happy with landscape as the main mode. Even iPhone and iTouch users seem to spend a large portion of their time using the device in landscape rather than the default portrait mode.

Originally Posted by Corso85 View Post
There is nothing that hinders the n900 from being what it is, whilst being in Portrait. I'm not saying discard Landscape completely. I'm saying it'll be there when it's needed. Simply the reverse of what is forced now. The "envisaged" uses for the N900 are not from another world. They are the same for other devices. Internet, Browser, SMS, terminal.....Landscape can be an option for any on these. but there is no strong reason for the Menus and home screen to be in landscape.
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There is nothing lost with the default landscape and portrait either.

Most of the web (if you mean that by the internet) is actually orientated for landscape not portrait.
One of the raved about features of the original RIM handsets was that the secreen was wide enough to read emails and sms in a more 'natural' format. Most latin based charactersets are designed to be read in horizontal lines. Kanji is another debate altogether I'll grant you.
Terminal, try telling any serious user that portrait is preferable for that.
 
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