Originally Posted by abill_uk

@ivanzorkic
downing people for negative comments will get the distinct label of a "fanboy" so please allow critisism among good points especially if its constructive,

Originally Posted by ivanzorkic

I'm no fanboy of any device in particular, I am, however, a fanboy of technology and mobile devices in general, but I think that's ok. Besides, you act as if I 'keep downing people for negative comments'. This is not the case. First of all, this is just one small thread and the first (and probably the last) time I spoke of this issue, and already I am 'a fanboy'. Second - I am NOT against criticism. I am against whining. These are two different things. Someone coming and pointing out a flaw and requesting its fix is fine. To quote myself:

"I would like better google integration, for example, I was also disappointed with Nokia's Ovi treatment of the N900, in fact, I was - and to a degreee, still am - quite angry with it. And I prefer capacitive screens to resistive, as I don't use the stylus."

Now, there are two kinds of criticism on Maemo Talk. The good one which is fine, awesome. In fact, its down right necessary. I've seen several of those on the forums, and I am glad that they exist. Its called FEEDBACK. The developers need it to improve their product. Users should offer it, companies should listen to users or loose them.

I especially dislike it when someone from the 'fanboy camp' comes and bashes the person who gave an objective critique with a comment "We don't need that stuff, its not a phone, go buy an iPhone! You won't be missed". My "favorite" lines from the fanboy camp are "Its a computer, not a phone", "We don't need a mobile version of it, the desktop one works fine" and "I couldn't care less about Nokia and its users" (as in - they shouldn't make it for everyone, they should make it for me!). If there weren't so many whiners, I would've written a post about the "defenders" (as I call them). As it is, they are very much outnumbered.

Now, for fun, I give you two ways to criticize the lack of MMS on the N900.

The good way: "I was unpleasantly surprised to find out that N900 doesn't support MMS. This is a feature I need, and came to expect from modern mobile devices. Why Nokia chose not to implement it is beyond me. Anyone wants to start a petition to request it from Nokia? I am really disappointed with this, if they don't fix it, my next device just might be from a competitor."

The bad way: "This piece of s$%$ doesn't even have MMS and all other smartphones have it even my sisters stupid little phone has it why didn't Nokia put it on the device when all others have it that's it Nokia I'm never buying anything from you again I just got myself the Legend and its much better all of you people who bought N900 made a mistake and you will see"

The first one is constructive and informative. I may or may not agree with it, but it comes down to personal opinions. The second one tries to ruin my experience with the device, it is written in a crybaby tone which irritates the heck out of me and is not constructive, often completely unrealistic, and boring.

Also, no matter what your tone is, criticism should always be based on reality. Claiming that Nokia should set fixed dates for updates and FW releases - something that no company does, and for a good reason too - is unrealistic. Asking for a functional portrait mode in conversations app somewhere down the road (something that I would like VERY much!) - is fine.

Now, you can say that I don't have to read these threads and you are right. But I could also say that no one is forcing anyone to read THIS ONE either. And besides, we get suckered into reading all those in the end and get emotional

Just to point out the obvious again: criticize all you want people! Be fans of quality technology, not of the brand. Be realistic and don't whine. And, most importantly, if you don't like it - tell it to the company that made it, do something, be constructive - or go with a different product next time.

Originally Posted by ivanzorkic

.So. Again I ask you how were some users tricked? The N900 promo video shows it running movies, taking photos and skyping. And it does all these things better than market leaders such as iPhone or Android. When you visit the N900 website it says 'mobile computer' and it delivers there too - with desktop grade multitasking and full linux. So, where's the trickery?

Originally Posted by NokTokDaddy

The device stalled, crashed and needed a reboot to recover. Not the first timeI've had this, either, and I umderstand I am not alone.

Originally Posted by NokTokDaddy

@wmarone:

Thanks for the suggestion, but no.

Originally Posted by thefoxtrot

Cherish the time when there is still lithium in the earth!

It'll be gone one day.
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