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2010-06-21 , 20:35
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#91
Originally Posted by mmurfin87 View Post
Permanent Banning as a system for dealing with forum abusers isn't something I see as ideal.
What do you suggest as ideal? I've dealt with a handful of such members on my 10 years of running forums. Some become creative -- changing proxies, running IP randomizers, etc, etc. In this case, if the member has found an IP that is not logged in the spammer global database that TMO uses, then mods and admins just continue with their tasks of coordinating and banning -- the staff are persistent as well.

Originally Posted by mmurfin87 View Post
According to the infractions there is a 20 point penalty simply for making a second account. Sure Reggie said its ok in some situations, but then why is it in the list of infractions? And why is there a separate list of infractions and rules where some rules appear as infractions but some infractions don't appear as rules. Whats the difference?
Again that infraction rule is for members who have infractions or banned and creating new accounts.

Originally Posted by gabby131 View Post
if example, I violated rules which total of 30 points, and then i am suspended for 3 days. when my account is again active, i still have 30 days before the points expire.

but i misbehave again before 30 days and fined for 10 points so does that gives me a total of 40 points and again suspended but for 7 days?
You have 27 days not 30 but yes, you got it.
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#92
Originally Posted by Reggie View Post
You have 27 days not 30 but yes, you got it.
I missed the 3 day ban. thanks

i need to be careful now, the keyboard or the tactile qwerty keypad of the n900 might get me banned.

i will read further when at home. i hope that this thread is not that big yet
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Some moderators just want a "legal" way to "kick ban" (irc jargon) users that they now feel they cant touch in a clear manner. Problem with this will always be; someone agrees and others don't.

I think, this forum wouldn't even have this thread if it wasn't for all the problems and never answered questions regarding Nokia and the N900 (and others)

The real question as I see it, should this community try to silent the crowds or fwd. the real issues to Nokia, so the crowd would be happy.

Yes I know, some will call this post off topic, others wont. I don't.
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Originally Posted by Flandry View Post
Good afternoon, community members.
Afternoon. Not had a chance to read all the way through this yet, but these two bits caught my eye:

The proposed draft of this policy follows, and is open to community discussion for a period of a week.
Says who?

The establishment of these rules has been given much consideration by the talk.maemo.org staff, the Maemo Community Couincil, and feedback from long-time members, [...]
Well, not much consideration by the Maemo Community Council as a) we'd not have a typo (bunch of pedants that we are), and the first I hear about this laudible effort is in a link fpp posts from another thread.

Not suggesting that you haven't been talking to council members, but it seems a bit like this has been sprung out of thin air (it seems remarkably complete), gets a deadline stamped on it and "our name" used to sell it.

I don't want to overreact, but perhaps - if nothing else - an email to council@maemo.org would've been a good idea to say "hey guys, can I have your support for this draft; I've been working on it with X, Y and Z". Perhaps a wiki document would be the best place to draft them, anyway?
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Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
Says who?

Well, not much consideration by the Maemo Community Council as a) we'd not have a typo (bunch of pedants that we are), and the first I hear about this laudible effort is in a link fpp posts from another thread.
Note that NOTHING has been implemented yet. This thread was created to discuss the draft and have everyone talk about it. The inclusion of the council was added there as something to be part of the document when it's all approved.

Yes it should have been created in the wiki so everyone would have access to improve it.

Btw, all members of the council have access to the private Staff and Moderators forum where this has been preliminarily discussed.
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then why we already got infraction points? and do they stand?.
 
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Originally Posted by inidrog View Post
Some moderators just want a "legal" way to "kick ban" (irc jargon) users that they now feel they cant touch in a clear manner. Problem with this will always be; someone agrees and others don't.
Some users want to do x and y. How do you know what moderators want? Rules give quite reasonable framework for giving points and banning users. There will be human factor involved. And actually regarding your comments about democracy you probably agree that if we gave community collectively the power to kick ban the result would be quite catastrophic :| Probably quite many users would get kick ban pretty fast.

I think, this forum wouldn't even have this thread if it wasn't for all the problems and never answered questions regarding Nokia and the N900 (and others)
What? Why should maemo community be responsible on questions considering Nokia' s situation?

The real question as I see it, should this community try to silent the crowds or fwd. the real issues to Nokia, so the crowd would be happy.
It has always been "issue" that people think this is Nokia's support forum. I have at least recently tried to put links to Nokia's support forums on my threads where i help people. Maybe links to right side under toolbar to point users to that direction would be good move.

Yes I know, some will call this post off topic, others wont. I don't.
Semi off topic, but i do not follow you completely here.
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I'm sorry. I haven't been following this thread closely. But how do you know if you have infraction points?
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Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
Says who?
That was the original plan mentioned in the moderator/council subforum.

Well, not much consideration by the Maemo Community Council as a) we'd not have a typo (bunch of pedants that we are), and the first I hear about this laudible effort is in a link fpp posts from another thread.

Not suggesting that you haven't been talking to council members, but it seems a bit like this has been sprung out of thin air (it seems remarkably complete), gets a deadline stamped on it and "our name" used to sell it.
As Reggie mentioned, it was a forward-looking statement about the final document, not the draft as first proposed. It's the purpose of this thread to make it true.

I eliminated a lot of typos and grammar issues in my revision of it but obviously missed a couple things. Working on it in the wiki is a good idea. Feel free to set up the page!
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Originally Posted by pantera1989 View Post
I'm sorry. I haven't been following this thread closely. But how do you know if you have infraction points?
Originally Posted by Flandry View Post
There's an "Infractions" tab on the user profile page. I'm not sure if it appears when the user has no infraction points for those without mod privileges, but that's where you would look
I don't see any infractions tab on mine. I think someone should ask for a sample infraction and do a 'feature unboxing' review complete with screenshots for us, the curious mass
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