i'd get a touch to replace my 20GB ipod but I'm not convinced it is a N8007killer. I still think the iPhone comes closest to a N800 killer, especially given the almost daily hacks coming to it.

It seems that the Touch is wrapped up based on iPod line, not iPhone. It's essentially a music/video player rather than pda-like communication device like iPhone.

- no BT
- no Mail
- no MAPS (well, you'll get them from web though)
- no memos

I'll stick with my N800...

Hmm.. both n800 and ipod touch has their pros and cons..

ipod touch seems to be great for music & video playback, and also as your digital photo album. N800 for so much more (web, email, skype, etc).

I will buy an ipod touch and 'share' it with the wife

NNo a2dp. That itself is a deal breaker.
No webcam or voip.
Lesser resolution.
I don't understand what is the big deal about the ui.??
Once u use any ui for 2 days its easy. After that it is alll about functions.
The n900 is going to pawn all other competitors. But the best thing about this apple
release is that...it will make nokia to price the n900 very competitively.

no voip, no deal. period.

really nice idea. kudos to apple though.

I think the iPod Touch will appeal to "regular" people, but I like the N800 for my purposes. While on vacation this weekend, I used it to browse the web, read email, listen to music through the speakers, make Skype-phone calls, watch a movie while on the ferry, played Battle jeweled and solitare for a bit, chatted with my friends on Yahoo with gaim, and used secure shell to log into my servers. None of these features are hacks that risk being hunted down and killed by the manufacturer.

Once again, Apple misses the Bluetooth A2DP cluetrain that ran right over them.

I'm sticking with the N800 for its bigger screen, open platform, and kick-***** connectivity. I've not found a device YET that can beat the N800's built-in wi-fi antenna for picking up wi-fi networks. Nokia cranked that one little detail all the way up to 11 and ripped the knob off.
But I'll be keeping an eye on the iPod Touch for any "hacks" that open it up to running VoIP, Claws Mail (or better email app), or more importantly Ur-Quan Masters, ScummVM, FreeCiv, etc.
Besides, 16GB SDHC Class 6 cards have been announced and will hit the market soon. An N800 with 32GB of total storage stomps the Touch flat.
You can only get so far within the walled-garden of the UI on the Touch/iPhone before you start banging your head against the wall and screaming at Apple.

But for n00bs and Joe User I guess the Touch is fine.

A2DP isn't taking off, the sound quality is so horrific. Something is wrong when 5 buck headsets sound better.

As far as the walled garden, you're right. But everything in the garden blows the pants off the IT. Always a trade off

I think it's funny everyone complaining about no webcam. Has anyone actually used their camera?? Yea, there's a picture there, but I've seen monkeys at the zoo paint better pictures with their own crap! Sucks not giving it bluetooth though. Wonder if they'll let us sync over wifi?

The thing that turns me off about Apple products is their reliance on iTunes to transfer music. I've always hated it and try not to use it. For my 1st gen nano, I ended up using Winamp and the ml_ipod plugin for drag and drop goodness and it was great. I recently put Rockbox on the nano and it's breathed new life into (after not using it for lord knows how long). I still hate the battery life on mine but I don't see myself upgrading to a newer one although the Ipod Classic looks great but again, iTunes can eat my balls.