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2010-07-08 , 11:48
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#41
Originally Posted by Farooq View Post
Why can't we all accept that we made the biggest blunder when we bought N900 and also nokia cheated with us and also we had very high expectations for support from nokia. In the end we are the losers.
Because you are wrong. The n900 is still one of the best though it was released 2009. For some.. like me. It is the best. This is the type of device i've longed for a long time.
 

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2010-07-08 , 11:49
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Originally Posted by Farooq View Post
Why can't we all accept that we made the biggest blunder when we bought N900 and also nokia cheated with us and also we had very high expectations for support from nokia. In the end we are the losers.
Your statement isn't entirely true.

a) Some people (particularly the older forum users) knew what they were getting into.

b) Nokia's customer support has always sucked. But I think everyone is dissapointed that the N900 doesn't have more support. Though I think most of us who remember "fixed in Fremantle" aren't surprised by it. But yes, still dissapointed that Nokia hasn't learned its lesson yet.

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
The N900 has been superceded by newer hardware because that is the way it goes on mobile development but the N900 will go on a lot longer than anything brought out in the past simply because it is the first mobile computer and has turned out to be a great test bed for software developers and will continue to do so for some time yet.

It is a design started from the first quarter of 2009 and since it's release a lot has been learned by Nokia so i suspect strongly it has turned out to be the "prototype" mobile computer from Nokia in the hands of the general public.

All i can say is watch out for future devices from Nokia knowing what they have learned from the N900 as it will only get better and better.
Nokia takes too long to learn from Maemo's success. They should've started throwing ALOT more weight behind it the moment the n800 was a success.

But anyway the whole hardware being outdated thing goes for any consumer electronic. Heck almost anything is outdated by next year. Your car? Outdated by next year. Your HDTV? Outdated by next year. Your laptop? Outdated by next year. You'd be a fool to think that it wouldn't happen to the N900 too. (Post not directed to you abill_uk).
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2010-07-08 , 11:51
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2010-07-08 , 11:53
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#44
apps is like the web development in the 90's. You had to develop specifically for iexplorer and netscape to get your stuff to work. Things matured and you can now (mostly) get by with unified coding.

Along comes apps for mobiles, and the thing starts over. IOS, Android,webOS,Meego... Apps apart from games is mostly a proprietary way to represent web based information.

If Steves dream comes to life - HTML5 - we can probably move back to the unified web platform (something i'm not sure Stevo has thought through)
 
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2010-07-08 , 11:57
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I'm sorry, N900 CPU = Underclocked iPad/iPhone4 CPU so it wins on all accounts.

It also has 768mb of swap on flash, so therefore more RAM than most other phones, f/e swap isn't as fast but its sure faster than a hard drive swap.

The Graphics processor/DSP is the same as what is in all of these so called better phones.

As for video recording, i'm sure it can be hacked to HD720p recording.
 

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2010-07-08 , 11:58
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Originally Posted by jer006 View Post
Hmm I dont know if I would say dissapointing.

I will agree that the n900 could do with more physical memory than 256MB however on thinking about it in the 7 months I've owned mine I have not gotten an out of memory once! (there is virtual memory too which is slower but still it helps a lot...)

256MB on the root fs however is somewhat restrictive even with the fixes put in for pr1.2, I have been down to 12kb as ovi store downloads into /var/tmp

Retina display and amoled... I feel that retina display is a bit of a marketing gimmic, it is 640 x 960 and the N900 is 800 x 480. Its definately a higher resolution than the n900 but is it really that visible to the naked eye, my n900 looks pretty damn sharp to me, so is retina really that much better? As for amoled, I have heard reports that while it is brighter and sharper it is harder to read in bright sunshine - this is not a problem I ever have with the n900 which is great!

Battery life for all smart phones seems on par with the n900, maybe the n900 is a little worse but I dont know I only have an n900...

The form factor (brick) could be much better but its got a physical keyboard which is great, I wish it was thinner but I cannot really complain its not that bad at all for whats packed into it! Check out the motorola droid/milestone which is slimmer than the n900 and packs a keyboard however the keyboard from what you read sucks as the keys are all flat and its harder to type on! The droid also packs a larger screen at 3.7" which is what Nokia should have done for the N900 from the get go...

In terms of processors it seems to be that this year has really been the year of the 1Ghz snapdragon processor, the N900 came out last november so it is somewhat dated now. However when you consider the OS it more than makes up for it, it is also still a pretty potent CPU with users reporting overclocking to around 1Ghz possible.

There is definately room for improvement with the n900 and hopefully nokia takes all of this into consideration for the upcoming meego device.

The problem with mobiles and electronics in general nowadays is that the minute you buy the latest device from any company, give it a week and it is old hat as some other company has come out with something bigger and better!

I for one am still very happy with my n900 and find it is continually up to everything I throw at it...
i cant be more agree with u
 
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2010-07-08 , 12:05
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
Your statement isn't entirely true.

a) Some people (particularly the older forum users) knew what they were getting into.

b) Nokia's customer support has always sucked. But I think everyone is dissapointed that the N900 doesn't have more support. Though I think most of us who remember "fixed in Fremantle" aren't surprised by it. But yes, still dissapointed that Nokia hasn't learned its lesson yet.



Nokia takes too long to learn from Maemo's success. They should've started throwing ALOT more weight behind it the moment the n800 was a success.

But anyway the whole hardware being outdated thing goes for any consumer electronic. Heck almost anything is outdated by next year. Your car? Outdated by next year. Your HDTV? Outdated by next year. Your laptop? Outdated by next year. You'd be a fool to think that it wouldn't happen to the N900 too. (Post not directed to you abill_uk).
I agree here Nokia is very very slow which makes me wonder what is going on in the development dept because it seems they have gone on to something else and that is maybe because of the massive questionair campaign they did that has been analized, i was always very sceptical of that questionair as i had a feeling the results of it might make Nokia go in a different direction suddenly and from what has happened in the last few months it certainly looks that way.
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2010-07-08 , 12:06
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#48
Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
The N900 has been superceded by newer hardware because that is the way it goes on mobile development but the N900 will go on a lot longer than anything brought out in the past simply because it is the first mobile computer and has turned out to be a great test bed for software developers and will continue to do so for some time yet.
See also: sharp zaurus, openmoko, nokia internet tablets.

All i can say is watch out for future devices from Nokia knowing what they have learned from the N900 as it will only get better and better.
As they sure have with n770, n800 and n810(wimax).

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If Steves dream comes to life - HTML5 - we can probably move back to the unified web platform (something i'm not sure Stevo has thought through)
Call that guy a megalomaniac, mega capitalistic monster and someone who's permanently affected by his own rdf... but he's no idiot.

Watch his D5 interview with Gates where both of them were talking about current trends years and years before those things are marketed. Steve alluded to ipad and his appstores a few times without describing them and Gates to surface and kinect.
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Originally Posted by yodawg View Post
So after reading these articles and viewing these comparison pictures I am starting to feel disappointed and ticked off because the n900 is supposed to be the best that Nokia can offer and yet its has **** for hardware.

All the other smart phones have 512mb ram
We get just 256

Our screens dont have retina or amoled technologies

We dont get HDMI out or wireless dlna but just generic VGA

Many other smartphones get wireless n speeds of 200mbps
we get just 54mbps

Many other smartphones have 1280x760 video resolution @ 30fps
we have a lousy 800x400 resolution @ 20~fps

Other smartphones are sleek, sharp and light,
Our phones are bricks and heavy

Other smartphones get better battery's and better battery life.
We get virtually the worst battery life of all smart phones

Other smartphone's graphics chip push almost 30 gpu triangles/s
Our phones graphics chip pushs just 14 gpu triangles/s

Please discuss ! thanks

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Mostly because the N900 WAS released... about 1 year ago? Time flies in the tech industry.

"All the other smart phones have 512mb ram
We get just 256"

Do you really feel the hit? If no, STFU.

"Our screens dont have retina or amoled technologies"

Do you understand what the hell are you talking about? Retina sure as hell isn't a display technology - it's as much of a display tech as my *** is that of gold. AMOLED is unable to compete with the N900 in terms of sunlight visibility. AND when the N900 was released, there was no such thing as SAMOLED and your fiddly Retina tech.

"We dont get HDMI out or wireless dlna but just generic VGA"

Well, those phones with HDMI out were OUT AFTER the N900.

"Many other smartphones get wireless n speeds of 200mbps
we get just 54mbps"

The CPU'd bottlenecked everything before you even hit the limits. AGAIN, it's later technology.

"Many other smartphones have 1280x760 video resolution @ 30fps
we have a lousy 800x400 resolution @ 20~fps"

What sort of resolution is 1280x760? No phone in existence records that, by the way.

24FPS, which is what the N900 records at, is the FPS at which movies are made. Do movies look as though they lack framerates?

"Other smartphones are sleek, sharp and light,
Our phones are bricks and heavy"

I'd argue that the N900 looks sleeker than most phones in the market. Design's a personal taste, though.

GOOD QWERTY keyboards takes space to implement - the one on the Milestone/Flip is BEYOND EPIC FAIL after you've tried the N900's.

"Other smartphones get better battery's and better battery life.
We get virtually the worst battery life of all smart phones"

The woes of running a full desktop OS. Use the N900's Froyo port if you must.

"Other smartphone's graphics chip push almost 30 gpu triangles/s
Our phones graphics chip pushs just 14 gpu triangles/s"

Once again, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, and displayed your (manufacturer stated) specs fanboyism. The RECENTLY launched Motorola Milestone XT has the same GPU, (it's a PowerVR SGX530 with rated 14MPoly/s output) by the way, and the next GPU refresh for TI is when Cortex A9 products starts to ship.

EVEN then, the data transfer rate of the RAM chips would only allow these GPU's to hit MUCH less than that of their rated output. The iPhone 3GS has a PowerVR SGX535 chip, which has the same capabilities as the iPhone 4's and the Galaxy S's (I know about the differences, but rated output for both SGX540 and SGX535 is the same 28MPoly/s.) barely pushes 7MPoly/s in practise.
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2010-07-08 , 12:19
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As a tablet device the n900 is better then all other devices out without a doubt full with potential, but then so was linux.

As a phone, the n900 is crap when compared to my old n95, camera is unusable, sound is crap/unusable, internet radio unusable, sat nav crap(tomtom is the best satnav but not available), digital compass does NOT exist and above all vendors have not been producing apps.

in addition to some other cool developments taking place, to make n900 a better device (not phone features related), with nokia decision to drop symbian and concentrate on meego development will hopefully revive the n900.

In other words you got a cool & full of pontential portable linux devices with some additional features.
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