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2007-09-11
, 03:24
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#252
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Originally Posted by iball
I know it was a few pages ago, but we *were* just talking about preferring buttons on our players (or not). I just thought that a 20-year-old publication with what almost amounts to an open-letter to Apple saying the same thing was amusing enough to share with everyone else, given what we know now.
And Apple will tell him to buy a new Nano, Classic, or Shuffle.
This is a non-story, it's only due to the magazine being called "MacWorld" (which I do read once in a while) and the op-ed piece actually publicly dissenting from the typical Pro-Everything-Apple mentality that makes it news.
MacWorld just moved to the bottom of Apple's "send them a review unit" list.
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2007-09-11
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@ ˙ǝɹǝɥʍou
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#253
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Originally Posted by iball
I'd definitely be more willing to open up my wifi if I live in the countryside where I know most of my neighbors (and their net-savvy kids), than if I had lived in a busy downtown intersection close to hotels, cafes and public (bus\subway) stations.
I don't get this "no free wi-fi" in these supposed big influential cities.
Originally Posted by iball
Let me get this straight... Sprint has to make major investment to deploy WiMax on their existing infrastuctures so that Nokia can launch the "in development, but not really finished yet" NITs, AND let Skype, one of their arch enemy VOIP provider free roam on their network, so that the NIT fanboys can cheer... for a small mint??
Now, if Sprint is REALLY serious about Wi-Max and uses existing towers to massively deploy it throughout the U.S. over the next year or two then I can see a Wi-Max-enabled N800 stomping the crap out of any current Apple product.
Especially if that N800 comes with Skype ALREADY INSTALLED ON IT. Sprint does a deal with both Nokia and Skype and they stand to make a small mint. Not a large mint mind you, but enough tomake it worthwhile.
More importantly they'll be collecting very valuable data on the whole thing (customers, experience, sales, issues, etc) that will put them ahead of everyone else in the whole wireless data game. There's only so much you can learn from EVDO after all.
Of course if Apple tosses out an iPod Touch that's Wi-Max enabled then the wheel spins again...
Will you drive your car off a broken bridge, video tape and post it on Youtube for a whole load of online forum cheering and a paypal pot of $68.73??
'Open connection' access on a mobile network goes against their whole business model. They still don't have to go down that route and can still collect the pretty penny for yet another few years on what they have going on. Maybe if someone like google (gphone, 700mhz bandwidth bid) enters the picture, will this whole thing shifts.
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2007-09-11
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#254
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Originally Posted by namtastic
Yep. That's how it started -- open access galore. But these are not static odds and people get wise over time. At some point, when you notice someone is hijacking your connection you close yours off. All that means is that everyone else jumps on the next open one until that person notices and shuts it down -- it's a rolling effect.
Yep, exactly what I see in my area of hi-rise downtown apartments.
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2007-09-11
, 03:56
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@ Zion
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#255
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Originally Posted by ysss
or, we could all wear these...
Maybe if someone like google (gphone, 700mhz bandwidth bid) enters the picture, will this whole thing shifts.
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/6...cbccdrcrd.html
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2007-09-11
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#256
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Originally Posted by ysss
That's you. Luckily you don't make up the majority of the population where in general people are stupid about truly secure wi-fi.
I'd definitely be more willing to open up my wifi if I live in the countryside where I know most of my neighbors (and their net-savvy kids), than if I had lived in a busy downtown intersection close to hotels, cafes and public (bus\subway) stations.
Originally Posted by ysss
Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
Let me get this straight... Sprint has to make major investment to deploy WiMax on their existing infrastuctures so that Nokia can launch the "in development, but not really finished yet" NITs, AND let Skype, one of their arch enemy VOIP provider free roam on their network, so that the NIT fanboys can cheer... for a small mint??
Notice where I said they had to make a "deal"? You know, like Apple just did with AT&T?
Only in this case, Nokia and Sprint get a cut of Skype's revenue intake from users using Nokia devices on Sprint's Wi-Max network in exchange for Nokia loading Skype on every new Wi-Max-enabled device and Sprint supplying the network.
Sprint can also get a cut of the revenues from every Wi-Max device sold in the U.S. as well as the usual income they will get from selling Wi-Max services to those users with Wi-Max-enabled kit.
Originally Posted by ysss
See that folks? Right there is where she killed any type of coherent argument she might have had.
Will you drive your car off a broken bridge, video tape and post it on Youtube for a whole load of online forum cheering and a paypal pot of $68.73??
Originally Posted by ysss
Gee, I didn't know that mobile data networks in the US were just giving that type of wireless service away for "free"?
'Open connection' access on a mobile network goes against their whole business model. They still don't have to go down that route and can still collect the pretty penny for yet another few years on what they have going on. Maybe if someone like google (gphone, 700mhz bandwidth bid) enters the picture, will this whole thing shifts.
Oh that's right...they aren't. They're charging a pretty penny and locking folks into year+ long contracts for it. Unless you mean "open connection" for any type of device that is able to connect to it? In that case the user of said device STILL has to pay the mobile network service provider for access.
Hello? That's EXACTLY how unlocked phones are able to work in the first place.
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Kicking Nokia in the jimmy, one marketing exec at a time.
Originally Posted by Mr. T
Well maybe Mr. T hacked the game, and made a mowhawk class? And maybe Mr. T is pretty handy with computers? Had that occurred to you Mr. Condescending Director?
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2007-09-11
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#257
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Originally Posted by slider
I for one welcome our new wi-fi-backpack-carrying overlords.
or, we could all wear these...
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/6...cbccdrcrd.html
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Kicking Nokia in the jimmy, one marketing exec at a time.
Kicking Nokia in the jimmy, one marketing exec at a time.
Originally Posted by Mr. T
Well maybe Mr. T hacked the game, and made a mowhawk class? And maybe Mr. T is pretty handy with computers? Had that occurred to you Mr. Condescending Director?
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2007-09-11
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@ ˙ǝɹǝɥʍou
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#258
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Originally Posted by iball
My point is that voice traffic is still the bread and butter of mobile operators. To make any sort of deals with VOIP companies is seen as a step to cannibalize their main product.
Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
Notice where I said they had to make a "deal"? You know, like Apple just did with AT&T?
Only in this case, Nokia and Sprint get a cut of Skype's revenue intake from users using Nokia devices on Sprint's Wi-Max network in exchange for Nokia loading Skype on every new Wi-Max-enabled device and Sprint supplying the network.
Sprint can also get a cut of the revenues from every Wi-Max device sold in the U.S. as well as the usual income they will get from selling Wi-Max services to those users with Wi-Max-enabled kit.
They're not even doing any profit sharing schemes to cellphone producers right now, let alone VOIP providers whom are seen as their direct competitors (of a subset of their product).
PS: I'm sorry I didn't follow suit on going down your route doing personal attack and all the negativity. I don't see how that helps with the discussion.
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2007-09-11
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#259
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Originally Posted by iball
Wow, nothing like admitting to committing a felony on a public forum!
So you're trying to tell me that because there are FEWER residents in a given area that free wi-fi will be more prevalent in those areas?
Sorry, but basic logic counters that line of thinking.
The MORE residents in a given area INCREASES the chance of free/open wi-fi APs being found and used.
It's a numbers game based upon odds. Just like Vegas.
BTW, I've found plenty of free wi-fi in Las Vegas too, but that was a few years ago...things might have changed but Vegas doesn't really change much.
I also consider WEP-protected wi-fi APs to be "free and open" since I can usually crack them wide-open in a few minutes with my laptop.
Packet injection FTW!
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2007-09-11
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#260
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Originally Posted by ysss
Indeed, you are right and no one who is credible would seriously propose a deal between Sprint and Skype or any VoIP provider. But it is quite possible that, with the next generation Nokia IT, you will be able to use Skype or VoIP on Sprint WiMax. Not because of any intention or desire by Sprint for that to happen, but through the backdoor sort to speak because it will be possible with the Nokia IT.
My point is that voice traffic is still the bread and butter of mobile operators. To make any sort of deals with VOIP companies is seen as a step to cannibalize their main product.
They're not even doing any profit sharing schemes to cellphone producers right now, let alone VOIP providers whom are seen as their direct competitors (of a subset of their product).
Also, there's not a single router that doesn't strongly warn people to leave its password protection on. When you're in a city with over 200 apartments within your immediate vicinity (or just in your own building, like me) it's a no-brainer to leave it locked down.
So yeah, a few years ago from my apartment I could see 5 access points within range, all but one of them open. Now, I can see around 15 of them and they're all locked.