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	zerojay	2007-09-20 , 14:19
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Originally Posted by johnkzin

2) non-keyboard button layout (next to the screen)

I'd like to see something a little more game-friendly, but not if it makes the tablet much thicker.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

3) 2 cameras

One low quality chat cam on the front, one higher quality picture taking cam on the back.

That would be nice, but I could live without having two cameras and just having one on the top edge that you could have face in front of you or your face.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

4) Segregated internal memory

I can't think of a decent reason why flasher erases user data and user applications. Flashing system memory should not affect user data and user memory. /home/user and whatever is the equivalent of /usr/local should be in a separate memory space that doesn't get touched/harmed by flasher when you upgrade the OS.

Segregated memory is not a good idea in a tablet like this. As stated, we won't need to reflash anymore after Chinook (hopefully).

Originally Posted by johnkzin

5) Support for the Seagate D.A.V.E.

I don't own one, so I couldn't care less.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

6) Build in Syncing ability

Would be nice, but I'm not a business user, so it's not that big a deal. I would just be happy if the contacts would stop duplicating all the time.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

7) The current mozilla based browser, microb, is slow and clumsy in comparison to opera. I'd like to see that fixed. I see a very noticeable difference in start-up speed and load speed with microb compared to opera. Further, trying to hold down a URL to get the context menu is hit-and-miss on microb. I think it would make a lot of sense to have a very smooth and polished mozilla based browser included in the base configuration (along with opera).

microb is a beta running a beta version of a HTTP renderer, so I don't think this is such a big deal for the moment. It's based upon the bleeding edge version of Gecko, which will be used in Firefox 3.0. I'd imagine that by the time Chinook rolls around, we'll see it running smoother.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

8) Better Email Client

I can understand this, though I personally am happy with the client.

9) The last 3 combine to also say:

what about a scaled down version of the mozilla calendar apps? Or some sort of built in calendar?

Originally Posted by johnkzin

10) Generic SIP VOIP/Phone capability

You can either check out the RTCOMM beta or, if you aren't the kind of person that likes filing bugs and trying to fix crashes, wait for it to be included in Chinook. It allows you to pretty much do what you've asked.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

11) WiMAX

I hope that the Sprint WiMAX version of the N800 would see that feature (WiMAX) carry forward into the next gen IT as well.

Pretty much the only thing that could make the N800 more useful than it is already. Canada's already covered pretty heavily with WiMAX... I just hope it will be supported here.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

12) 3G mobile/cellular radio

So long as it's an option.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

13) stereo headphones WITH microphone

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the earbuds that come with the N800 were stereo and also had a microphone. I wouldn't know personally as I can't use earbuds (far too uncomfortable for me).

Originally Posted by johnkzin

14) bluetooth stereo headphones

Newer versions of the Linux bluetooth stack, Bluez, contains support for AD2P... so I would imagine this should be possible soon.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

15) And, a pair that combine #13 and #14 would be nice (bluetooth device that is both stereo headphones and a phone headset).

Agreed.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

16) The ability to use the IT as a bluetooth device:

a) as a dialer for a phone (use the IT to pick a phone number to call, and have the phone dial that number)
b) as a 'headset' for a phone (so, you could use the IT's speaker and microphone, or the various headphone and microphone options (existing with the N800, or #'s 13, 14 and 15 above)).

Combine those, with the ability to use the phone as an IP modem, and you've basically just turned the phone into a back-end device, and the user only interacts with the IT. Plus, combined with #10, and the existing Skype software, and you've got the ability to choose between SIP, Skype, or mobile voice for your calls.

Not sure I see the point.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

18) USB host

It's supposedly a big power drain.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

19) flash via wifi+web

Why do I need to download the new OS image to a desktop computer? If there's a segregated memory model, and/or if I have a large enough memory card installed, why can't I have an option to "flash from local memory"? Obviosly, you still need to have the desktop computer for emergency restores in case of a catastrophy or something ... but it seems like a general case for a "download new system image direct to local flash card, flash from downloaded image" feature would make sense.

You *never* flash stuff by Wifi. Flash by writing an image on a card... I could see that being more useful, but I just know people are going to find some way to do it accidentally and then complain about it.

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	zerojay	2007-09-20 , 14:22
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Originally Posted by Noneus

-More Protocols for the standard IM application.

Use a Jabber server with several gateways. I do that and it works quite well for me. Native support would be nice though.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

-A better mediaplayer with more formats (mplayer with more arm optimizations would be nice.) It should play the new mpeg4-stuff(h264 and aac) at full speed.

Agreed, but I don't know what kind of CPU power requirements it would need to do h264 and all that.

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	Noneus	2007-09-20 , 14:43
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

Really? I always figured that if you were actually making a video call, you'd look more at the sender's picture, which would automatically put your own gob more in the center on his side.

ObvObviously, not being able to make any video calls other than to other N800 users, I
haven't been able to test this theory out. Thank you, Nokia.

i attached a picture from thr builtin camera with me looking directly on the device.

Agreed, but I don't know what kind of CPU power requirements it would need to do h264 and all that.

you could use a decoderchip. there was one on linuxdevices with 1w powerconsumption.

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	krisse	2007-09-20 , 14:49
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The N800's earphones already have a microphone, you can see it on the top of the plastic thing with the button on it.

People can hear you fine if you just wear the earphones and talk as normal, you don't have to hold it up to your mouth or anything like that.

The N800's headset is almost identical to the headset bundled with Nokia phones, except it has a 3.5mm plug instead of a 2.5mm plug.

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sjgadsby	2007-09-20 , 15:09
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Originally Posted by zerojay

johnkzin: 12) 3G mobile/cellular radio

So long as it's an option.

I throw my support behind you here. I have no need for a cell phone, and I have no interest in Nokia adding bulk, power drain, additional upfront costs, or ongoing monthly costs to the Internet tablet line for a feature I'll never use.

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	johnkzin	2007-09-20 , 17:24
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Originally Posted by Noneus

There is no way of typing with more than a few fingers on such a small keyboard. So I guess I'd be ok with a slider keyboard. I think I'd type on it like I type on the onscreen keyboard now: with my 2 thumbs.

The keyboard I propose would be a thumb keyboard. In the same size range as the freedom input "slim" keyboard (about the size of a credit card), or the qwerty keyboards you find on a cell phone (the sidekick or MDA, for example).

The advantage over the onscreen keyboard is: you don't take up screen real-estate with it, so you can see the actual thing you're typing in to while you type (unlike the full-screen finger keyboard on the N800).

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	johnkzin	2007-09-20 , 17:27
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Originally Posted by fanoush

This should be better rephrased as 'Ability to update/upgrade OS via package management, not via flashing monolithic firmware image'.

That works for me (instead of segragated memory for flashing, or flashing via wifi+web).

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	johnkzin	2007-09-20 , 17:45
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby

Does the RTCOMM update not provide what you need?

I hadn't heard of it until now. I'll look into it. Thanks :-)

I'm not familiar with what comes with the iPhone. How are the stereo headphones with built-in microphone that come with the iPhone better than the stereo headphones with built-in microphone that come with the N800?

As far as I know/knew, the included headphones don't have a microphone. Am I wrong about that? If the little box on the wire is not just a switch but also a mic, then that would make it "almost exactly the same, functionally, as the iPhone headphones".

Doesn't Nokia already sell these?

Do they work with the N800? I didn't know about them because they're not on the N800's accessory pages (at least, not for the USA store).

And, are any of them also usable as a phone headset? or just for listening?

You may want to vote for bug 368.

I just did, thanks :-)

Nokia's Internet tablet developers have said that a future goal is to restructure things so that system updates are more modular and will take place using the Application manager. Updates will also apply without wiping out installed applications and saved data.

Flashing the device from a desktop and wiping everything will be left as just a final resort repair method at that point.

That sounds pretty much perfect.

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	johnkzin	2007-09-20 , 17:48
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby

Modest is coming, though it's unclear when.

Right now, Claws-mail keeps me happy.

Claws-mail keeps me 90% happy. My main desire for a micro-thunderbird is that, when combined with a micro-firefox and a micro-sunbird (or lightning on micro-thunderbird) is that you'd have 1 suite of apps for web/mail/calendar/contacts. And, for me, they'd be the same as what I use on my desktop(s).

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	johnkzin	2007-09-20 , 18:10
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Originally Posted by zerojay

I'd like to see something a little more game-friendly, but not if it makes the tablet much thicker.

One consequence of my propose button layout would be that it could be more easily used for games. That's not my main reason for the proposal, but it would work (the dpad on left, select on right, and then put the application-specific button on the lower right ... you've got 2 game buttons and an 8way dpad). Though, my specific recommendation of 8way dpads instead of 4way dpads is exactly for game support. If they didn't want to support games at all, then 4way dpads is "good enough".

My main reason was ergonomics. I find the current "dpad+select" to be awkward to use, as I'm always on the verge of accidetly hitting select when I change directions on the dpad. I'd prefer to dpad with one thumb, and select with the other.

That would be nice, but I could live without having two cameras and just having one on the top edge that you could have face in front of you or your face.

I could probably live with that, but I'm not sure that small camera that would have to fit in such a rotating enclosure would be enough for taking decent pictures.

Segregated memory is not a good idea in a tablet like this. As stated, we won't need to reflash anymore after Chinook (hopefully).

When is Chinook supposed to be out, and where can I more directly read about the future OS releases (is there a spot on the maemo page for that, or are they posted in the OS forums on here?).

I don't own one, so I couldn't care less.

I don't either. But I'd like to. And it'd hold a huge library of music and documents that I wouldn't have to clutter up my N800 with.

Would be nice, but I'm not a business user, so it's not that big a deal. I would just be happy if the contacts would stop duplicating all the time.

I'm not a business user either. But I have a desktop at work, a desktop at home, and might someday own a laptop again (though, I think the N800 almost makes that idea obsolete, once I get a bluetooth keyboard). Having to manually keep these things in sync, or remember "oh, I only bookmarked that at work, I guess I'll have to email myself that link", is just annoying and a waste of time. A central sync'ing ability saves that kind of time whether you're a business user or not.

microb is a beta running a beta version of a HTTP renderer, so I don't think this is such a big deal for the moment. It's based upon the bleeding edge version of Gecko, which will be used in Firefox 3.0. I'd imagine that by the time Chinook rolls around, we'll see it running smoother.

I'll be happy if microb continues to get better and better.

You can either check out the RTCOMM beta or, if you aren't the kind of person that likes filing bugs and trying to fix crashes, wait for it to be included in Chinook. It allows you to pretty much do what you've asked.

It does look like it does what I want (from what I found out from a previous comment). Sounds like chinook will be a very useful code release.

So long as it's an option.

3G and cell phone ability aren't a major one for me. I'd be just as happy relying upon an external cell phone, if I can use the N800 for the call (my "bluetooth dialer" and "n800 as bluetooth headset" items).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the earbuds that come with the N800 were stereo and also had a microphone. I wouldn't know personally as I can't use earbuds (far too uncomfortable for me).

I wasn't aware of them having a microphone. Plus, I also prefer non-ear-buds.

Not sure I see the point.

I don't mind having multiple devices that I carry ... such as an N800, a cell phone, and a D.A.V.E. or an iPod ... but I don't want to have to switch among them. With the 2 items I mentioned, I can always use the N800.

Use the N800 for browsing the web and reading email.

I can use an extensive HD store of music, such as the DAVE, but play them through my N800, instead of switching devices.

If a phone call hits my cell phone, the N800s ability to control the phone via bluetooth lets me see who is calling without switching devices. Then I can take the call on the N800 if I want to ... again, without switching devices.

1 control device. 1 set of headphones/headset. But multiple devices that are each specialized for what they do (N800 for user facing stuff, DAVE for storage, phone for interfacing to the wireless WAN).

It's supposedly a big power drain.

The things I would use it for would only be used when I'm near AC power anyway. So, I don't mind if the hub+keyboard+card-reader+wired-ethernet is a power drain, because I'll have wall-power at the time.