Pretty much explains the contents of abill_uk's head.

(I know, cheap shot!)

Everyone, stick to debating issues and do not descend into name calling and personal attacks. Thank you.

Even though most of the time I don't think anything he says follows normal coherent conversational sense. Mocking people will just antagonise them and raise the heat higher.

abill_uk, you're a junior member, so you don't know any better. But the council has been around for quite some time, and they've served the maemo.org community well. I fear the YOU and the I in the constituency that you seem to be the voice for aren't covered by what I would call the maemo.org community.

If that is all you fanboys can say then your words hold no weight whatsoever and the Council is a working team for this community and this community is based purely and entirely on SOFTWARE and its issues !.

This thread is about the Council that exists currently so i suggest you all go read my posts again on this thread !.

the post above is the main reason for me, why the coincil should be here. well....if you know what mean.

with all respect,
gabby131

What you and johnel are in fact doing is attacking ME personally so i strongly suggest you go read my posts again with the mind of a Council member and then you may see a different light.

I am attacking no one here and merely stating facts as they exsist currently.

abill_uk, You just blamed someone for being a fan boy. I thought we were all here because we were fans. If you're not, leave...

Hmm. It’s been a while since I had a rant.

I think for every argument, there’ll be a counter-argument, so am going to try and see if I can grasp all sides in my head.

What the Council CAN do:

• Help organize events and sponsorships
• Provide Nokia with any information they request
• Raise awareness or provide assistance towards selective issues, to selective people with selective areas of power at Nokia

What the Council CANNOT do:

• Change Nokia’s business decision making (Tell them what to do)
• Clean-up Nokia’s Marketing Mishaps

Perhaps, a political analogy would be, the Council is NOT like a People’s Senate which can vote off the government, but more like an organized activist group.

There are many, for the lack of better terms, stupid or rather shocking business and marketing decisions made by Nokia. Whether it’s lack of resources or just plain stubbornness is unknown.

I would like to summarize some thoughts about Maemo:

• Better Long Term Planning, to be specific, Apps longevity. I think an application should be able to survive at least one OS upgrade before having to be re-written.
• Perhaps more open communication between the Community Devs and Nokia Maemo Devs, I believe Jaffa gave an example of that with QT 4.6 PR1.2. More of that is good.

I would like to summarize some grievances with Maemo 5 on the N900:

• Better Phone Application
• System-Wide Portrait Mode + Soft Qwerty Keyboard
• Frontal Camera Improvement

Now, here is the kicker, many of these may seem to be functionality lacks, or outright bugs to some, however, as I now understand, that to Nokia or concerned personal, they are FEATURE REQUESTS, thus they can choose to ignore them or escalate them to the next release.

That is quite understandable, because on the other hand, you also have many who ARE satisfied with the current feature set.

At this point, sadly, I don’t think we can demand anything. Another fellow pointed out what my current enforcement tool is, the next mobile I buy, has only a 5% chance of being a Nokia.

Putting them on ignore-list is just so much easier.

You claimed to represent everyone here. Smoku kindly asked you to stop being self claimed representative of us all. You started name calling.

This is how you destroy every thread that you post on.