Despite what Abil_Uk have said.. the n900 are still supported. And it will be for some time ahead. So most of the things he said are not true. That is the problem.. not the language. The community will continue as it has.. no need to change it. It works good.

People will continue to claim Nokia has bad support... Somehow they think that if they don't get the next Meego device for free.. the support is bad. Heck.. someone said that the n900 could do Crysis! I should sue Nokia for that... ! !

Please cite your sources.

I am to lazy for that right now. But things are still in the pipe.. like PR1.3 and Harmattan. Fcam that came a couple of weeks ago is also something although not entierly from Nokia. They got staff working on it.. saw some link on it awhile back.

People, define support:
- To directly provide code to system. (OTA - btw. Pretty new stuff at least to me, this is my first phone with camera )
- To provide code to bits and parts of system (upstream) and so giving community to option to compile it by themselves.
- Fully Opening source and giving option to fix stuff by devels

So what is support exactly or is it actually really wide range of things. Just little thought before people yell each other that there is no support. IMHO N900 is lacking support and Nokia is not providing it too much, but then again saying that there is no support at all is also IMO wrong.

The problem is we have no idea either way if the n900 will be officially supported or not.

No official announcement has been made.

We may get a PR1.3 update we may not. We just don't know.

Will the n900 have a fully working MeeGo implementation?

It depends on the progamming effort. So far it does look promising.

Has Nokia ceased development of maemo?
We are still unsure - they have stopped work on hildon.

Does the n900 have a long productive life ahaed of it?
Yes, people are still releasing new software. If you really want to you can hack about with the root filesystem and change stuff.

Does the n900 need Meego?
I don't think it's future depends on it. It is still a viable platform and free SDK kits are available for it. Meego would be nice!

Is the n900 crippled or held-back in anyway?
I don't think so. I use mine all the time and very happy with it. It's been a worthwhile investment.

Will we get Flash 10?
Unless we can "port" a version from the next Meego handlheld - not so far.

As a community we don't know anything (not from official sources) but plenty of rumours.

Is it worthwhile contacting Nokia on the community's behalf and demand (in the nicest possible way) firm answers from Noka?

At the moment, yes. Still supported. Nobody denied that. The level of support is a different matter, I guess... Not to mention the future...

Could you back that up with some solid source of information?

As far as I know there is no sign of official continuing support. Might be true, might not be.

Please. Reread what I stated and reread the thread. Search for comments on the opening title...

Which I don't think was the point of this thread.

So, if I understand you correctly you would like to oppose to that statement and claim Nokia actually gives good support?

No. You're wrong. That was not mentioned in this thread but let me bring in some things that annoy me to no end...

Two simple examples...

I think support sucks because:

I am a linux user who bought a linux device and yet needs to download crappy half assed software meant for the Windows platform. When I do eventually download that, the software will tell me my device is not fully supported and does not allow me to do simple tasks as backing up my messages. Again. Would you like to call that decent support? Really?

Another example: Being a linux user, I would like to be able to sync with protocols like OBEX and the like and exchange the calendar on my n900 with the one on my computer (Evolution). Yet, it is not possible.

Same question as above applies here too.

Yep. The support is bad. Period. That's why this forum is so important. And luckily there is a lot of knowledge here.

You're going badly offtopic here, mate. The OP did not claim that, nor did anyone else in this thread. Of course there are whiners on this forum who will do just that but usually I try to ignore those threads and now you are bringing them in here? Thanks but no thanks...

A nice and objective post.. This should have been in the OP

Good post. And it´s true that we have here case of communication gone bad.

Btw.Fixes done after 1.2

I was on the verge of letting some of the mods gp on this thread but after reading the attacks by the now dirty dozen i have nick named them i would not give you lot the satisfaction.

As for you Johnel, why dont you use your expertise and do some mod's yourself as i am sure with all those years behind you otg is easy for you so why at me for it?.

I have done all the rework on the N900 myself but i am not able to do the proggramming especially as Nokia dont seem to know direction and the very reason i was hopeing this thread would give me some but alas no because the old school are here to hack and destroy for what reason i cease to understand.

I merely pointed out the otg stuff to let people know i am serious about Meego or a such like OS but the problem is some device drivers are still closed source and as this is a community actually owned by Nokia and for sure when they will look in on this it might just stir them enough to give us what we ALL deserve and that is a fully working os working all the hardware properly as their devices normally do instead of cutting us sharp as they seem to have done SOME FLAGSHIP DEVICE HUH ! and next time Nokia do NOT allow everyone to do your work for you and LIE the N900 is a flagship !.

WHY Nokia did you do this? you made a right ballsup as everyone knows of the usb port but hey it is easy put right so please dont let a simple thing like a detatched usb port let you forget the N900 for your own mistakes ! (at least replace the replacement units with through hole ports so they dont have to come back at you yet again for yet another replacement) crazy designer should have been fired for that as he has cost Nokia a heck of a lot of money ! drill 2 holes and attatch the port to the under earth plain as well as the top one and consider the job done properly!.

Listen you people who are arguing here with me please try to at least understand business sense and realise some of us do this for a living and if any chance Nokia can get in on this then you all win !!! get it?.

Maemo should never have been abandoned let alone the way they brought about Meego as a pure insult to all us N900 owners and i think Nokia have something to answer for.

You lot argue this out i dont care about arguments as they are for fools, i only care that you lot get something back for the 500 bloody quid that you paid (like me) so now maybe it is time for you lot to divert your energy at the maker!!! please at least be grown up about all this and accept for reasons obvious that this argument will never cease untill something comes out of Nokia, and MAYBE just MAYBE we are one step closer to getting results after this lot.

I detest people like qgil who as a nokian gave us all hope for it all to be dashed and took away from us for him now to go on the same old track about Meego that dont include the N900 !, well that takes the biscuit rather dont it.

DONT BE SCARED of Nokia hit them back in the teeth and make sure this money making machine stops taking the piss out of us like they have done with the N900.

This is a good forum but it stinks of Nokia and what do they do for N900 owners???? ask yourself ok and stop throwing the buck at me cos i am not Nokia or the designer of this device.

I am not out for brownie points rather more like some cash back from the money i have spent so is that a bad thing to do? ok i can be radical but hey... Glen Miller said if you want a different sound then get radical or something like that, BRILLIANT musician then he goes and gets killed in a stupid air crash and left us hanging.

I am old school not a young boy (if only) because with youth i would leave Nokia standing because i truly believe in giving good production and backup service.

I have said enough now on this thread so i will leave it open either to be closed by moderation or for you lot to have a further go, entirely your choice.

Final word to people like tswindell and ysss, try to at least be nice to people because when you aint you get peoples back up and bang goes any chances of progress but instead you get arguments so do try at least to be kind, after all we are only human flesh and blood.

Huh? What are you on about man?