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tswindell is offline tswindell
2010-08-19 , 09:22
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#51
Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
There is one REAL answer to all this, Nokia either buy up a manufacturer or start their own in whatever country offers the best solutions.

The most successful company will one that is dependent on nobody and can self produce everything from start to finish so really it is all down to investment.

Anyhow i still feel Meego will just become another Maemo because of closed source but as you said drivers dont change that much but they have to be open from the start at least.
I don't understand your concerns, this is how things operate in the real world, we just have to deal with it and carry on. Name another manufacturer out there with the level of platform openness of Nokia and the NIT line of devices?

Drivers are not our problem unless there's something wrong with them. APIs are our problem. There's no need for 99.999% of people to need access to driver source if the drivers are properly maintained and supported.

Which is why I pointed out the closed component builder for MeeGo, which is their process to support continuous integration of closed drivers for the N900 (Maybe N8x0) and future "supported" devices with MeeGo.
 

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2010-08-19 , 09:23
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
If I understand things right, much like the closed-source nvidia drivers experience, if they made their device drivers/modules such that they need to be recompiled with every kernel, you'll ALWAYS depend on Nokia to grant you their blessing to run that new kernel on your device with the drivers to make them work until they tell you how they're linked/built/etc to work with the kernel build process.

Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding any of this.
The good news is that even Nokia N900 had completely open kernel drivers and I doubt that policy will go away.
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
The good news is that even Nokia N900 had completely open kernel drivers and I doubt that policy will go away.
In laymen terms, what does that mean about the N900 future in regards to MeeGo?
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
In laymen terms, what does that mean about the N900 future in regards to MeeGo?
It means we can safely say we'll have MeeGo vanilla on the N900 for a fair amount of time.
 

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#55
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
In laymen terms, what does that mean about the N900 future in regards to MeeGo?
As I said in my post, we're actively upstreaming the kernel drivers (as they're open source) so they're also maintained in the main kernel ecosystem.

In addition to that, we have to maintain N900 in MeeGo as a reference device and we do update to newer kernels.. I mean, we did a .28 -> .33 -> .34 -> .35 already. It gets easier each time as more and more code is in upstream..
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2010-08-19 , 10:41
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Originally Posted by tswindell View Post
It means we can safely say we'll have MeeGo vanilla on the N900 for a fair amount of time.
I'm just afraid people will not understand what vanilla MeeGo is and how it operates. Some people will say 'wow, finally, totally open and Free stuff, cool !', while others will say 'it is crap, where's my Flash X and Ovi Maps Y !' (even though these are likely to be available via hacks).
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#57
Originally Posted by tswindell View Post
It means we can safely say we'll have MeeGo vanilla on the N900 for a fair amount of time.
Vanilla is not enough, we want chocolate vanilla MeeGO. We don't want sugar free MeeGO.
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2010-08-19 , 10:55
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Originally Posted by attila77 View Post
I'm just afraid people will not understand what vanilla MeeGo is and how it operates. Some people will say 'wow, finally, totally open and Free stuff, cool !', while others will say 'it is crap, where's my Flash X and Ovi Maps Y !' (even though these are likely to be available via hacks).
Yeah, well, f*ck 'em :P

Moving to MeeGo might bring back the community spirit we used to have and act as a contraceptive from the end users.
 

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Originally Posted by maxximuscool View Post
Vanilla is not enough, we want chocolate vanilla MeeGO. We don't want sugar free MeeGO.
In someways I agree with that sentiment, but on the other hand, I think I'd prefer the FOSS alternatives that I'm sure the community will thrive around and create.

I'd much prefer a continuously evolving platform with community support than corp. run services.
 

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Originally Posted by tswindell View Post
... act as a contraceptive from the end users.
and girls too...
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