I really can't decide which to buy. I'm getting this primarily to browse the web, read ebooks, listen to Internet radio, and possibly watch movies. I might get a Bluetooth keyboard for a little note-making when out and about too.

Here are the pros and cons of each, as I see them. Please chip in with anything I might have missed:

iPod touch: Pros

• Cheaper than the N800 here in the UK by about £40 ($80)
• Faster processor than the N800, so no video lag and generally snappier system response
• 8 or 16GB storage as standard, compared to 128MB of an N800
• Legendary Apple ease of use and attention to detail, such as pinching for zoom, or flipping to switch to landscape mode
• Integration with iTunes (not a biggie for me)

iPod touch: Cons

• No Flash or RealPlayer support, although this might come later
• Closed system, although everybody is betting that the touch will be hacked soon, to the extent that some of the more useful iPhone apps will be copied across, including the Maps app
• Memory not expandable
• Crappy Apple hardware that'll turn-up with niggling faults, and then die the day after the warranty runs out
• No built-in speakers
• No internet radio support?

N800: Pros

• Genuine computer, rather than a media player with ambition (Apple has made it clear that they don't envision the touch as a PDA but as a media player with some lifestyle extras)
• FM radio receiver built in
• Open hardware, so installing new software is a legitimate and encouraged
• Tonnes of additional software
• Better screen resolution than the touch
• Better browser? (Subjective, personally I like Safari)
• Comes with that useful stand so can be used on a desktop, maybe as a second browser window alongside your main computer (can a VNC server be installed on the N800? Then it could even be controlled from a desktop computer too!)
• Built-in speakers
• Bluetooth keyboards work with it (touch has only a limited Bluetooth implementation)

N800: Cons

• Slow processor; good enough for everyday use but you're at the limit of its power
• Limited memory and storage, although expansion slots provided and inexpensive
• More expensive than the touch here in the UK
• Rough at the edges operating system, although usable
• Poor battery life at only 3-4 hours with heavy wifi use

Is this the Ipod touch?

http://media.arstechnica.com/journal...0/IMG_7774.jpg

If yes I wouldn't buy it since a screen in horizontal format is better to browse the web when it comes to screens up to 5". Not to mention that the Ipod touch screen is probably smaller anyway.

What about the WiFi reach? I can imagine that the N800 WiFi card is better.

Er, maybe you should watch this short video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7jdUbIi7H8

That's what the accelerometers are for.

This weekend the N800 just dropped $100.00 on the online sites. Was about $350.00 and is now $244.00. Perhaps it will drop over there soon.

To me it seems 3-4 hours WITH wi-fi use seems okay. Doesn't that mean I'll get 6-8 hours watching movies or listening to music and NOT using the Wi-Fi? BTW: The navkit's remote GPS unit uses the same battery as the N800.

I also considered the iPod... but one of my goals was a portable PDF reader. That means a bigger screen is better. (Up to a point.) I also like the while open platform idea.

Ive been a n800 user since a while... and the n800 trumps the touch in all departments.

The stereo speakers are a big addition for watching youtube videos with uktube.
Internet streaming is like the having a 100gigs of space with songs... seriously the mind boggling no. of internet streams(free) along with the element of surprise makes internet radio wonderful.
Support for bluetooth headphones. Again i cant imagine how apple did not include a2dp support?? Seriously an mp3player in 2007 without a2dp..... that sucks
I dont know whay people like itunes?? For me i just take the memory card and put it in the slot of my computer and drag and drop whateve r i want. Remmember i can do this on any computer without being stuck to onlyone.

As far as touch is concerned.... the only adavantage it has is eyecandy. NIce Ui.... but after 5 days of use any ui is going to be the same and the time it takes to operate a touch after 5days is going to be the same for n800. The ui is good for non tech savy people who dont spend time to get to know the device. SO the difference in UI is nullified after 5days of use.
After that its pretty much the features you have. In that department apple sucks big time.
Regarding the pinching zoom and rotation of the screeen.... that is all eye candy and zero percnetage of use. Infact the pinch needs two hands to hold the touch and the ohter hand to pinch. But in the n800 it can be done with a single click!!!!

With the recent price drop to 240$ the n800 also negates teh price difference.

But the next tablet is coming soon... you might want to see what it has to offer!!!

The N800 is great for your needs, but I find the PDF ability lacking. It seeminly takes "forever" to load the next page of a PDF because it seems to need to render and load every page. I get frustrated with it all the time. I;'ve used Evince and the built in pdf reader.

I've got both, although admittedly I've only had the Touch for a week, but I'd have to say that for browsing and net radio, the N800 is fantastic. The Touch's screen is much smaller, and not nearly as good for browsing. Not having a stylus makes it hard to click on links without going throught the process of pinching the screen to expand it, then clicking on the links etc.

On the other hand, the Touch is far better for watching movies, and the battery lasts long enought to watch a whole film - unlike the N800.

Overall I find the Touch boring. With the N800 you can add all kinds of applications so it's a new device every day. The Touch is fine if you want music and movies but its so frustrating that you can't add anything. The N800 is really a much better device.

That's my 10ps worth!

I've been researching the N800 quite heavily. I've read reviews, scoured these forums, watched YouTube videos...

And what you say about the N800 reaching end-of-life rings true with me. I can't bring myself to spend £240 (circa $480) to get one when I know that there will likely be a new model before March 2008 (not just a Wimax upgrade but possibly the N900). The chances are this will be brought right-up-to-date with a faster processor and more storage, especially considering Nokia can't have failed to feel Apple breathing down their neck.

On the other hand, frustrated by a lack of FM radio reception in my kitchen on a daily basis, and with a stack of ebooks I'd like to read, I really fancy getting an N800 The N700 is still available here in the UK, with a GPS kit, for around £150. But I've heard that if I think the N800 is slow, I'll be turned into a murderous madman by my frustration waiting for the N700 to do anything

Ipod touch:
-no bluetooth
-small screen
-quicktime movie only
-no flash
-bye-bye.