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2007-11-01 , 19:12
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#91
Yeah, you can speak for me, zero, and well said!

And lest anyone misunderstand: zerojay deserves all the kudos for this. I was one of the few complaining about how confusing jabber configuration could be and he motivated me to do more than complain.

So the ball is rolling and looking good so far. Hopefully soon you will see at least an alpha version of jablet.net come alive. Zero and Pixel will handle the mechanics of that; for now I'm going to work on site design. Eventually I won't be as involved in jablet.net as I will a revived LDUG.org, which will exist on the same host.

On that note, we will definitely be looking for another hand or three. Specifically, a really sharp web coder would be ideal. There will be a need for forms, scripts, etc. I know enough to provide direction and testing but beyond that I'm too dangerous. Note that this role could be for both sites or we could split it up. Either way is okay.

As zero said, the goal is to really, really focus on making these sites tablet-friendly. More so than any other site. That will demand a lot of usability brainstorming, design and testing. Obviously scrolling should be minimized and links made finger-friendly. Objects per page should be kept to a severe minimum (none of this 200+ objects like you'll hit on amazon.com).

LDUG.org will maintain its original focus, and jablet.net will orient around services, particularly IM. I foresee a sort of wizard approach to its design and functionality. In fact, if I may leap ahead here, what I'd REALLY like to eventually see is users creating a jabber account on jablet.net and then scripting automating the account creation on their tablet. Is it possible? I'd like to think so, and the one who can make that happen will earn lots of virtual cookies.

I also expect both sites to share user registration to keep things simple, and run off a database as much as possible (MySQL I suspect). I can help with database design and SQL queries but again, someone with focus there would be ideal.

I'm pumped! Thanks zero for kicking my butt into gear.
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2007-11-01 , 19:42
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#92
MSN and Yahoo gateways both seem to work. And I can do web work too. My PHP is pretty rusty (I'm assuming that's what you'd need) but I should be able to brush up quickly enough.
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Yeah, you can speak for me, zero, and well said!

And lest anyone misunderstand: zerojay deserves all the kudos for this. I was one of the few complaining about how confusing jabber configuration could be and he motivated me to do more than complain.

So the ball is rolling and looking good so far. Hopefully soon you will see at least an alpha version of jablet.net come alive. Zero and Pixel will handle the mechanics of that; for now I'm going to work on site design. Eventually I won't be as involved in jablet.net as I will a revived LDUG.org, which will exist on the same host.

On that note, we will definitely be looking for another hand or three. Specifically, a really sharp web coder would be ideal. There will be a need for forms, scripts, etc. I know enough to provide direction and testing but beyond that I'm too dangerous. Note that this role could be for both sites or we could split it up. Either way is okay.

As zero said, the goal is to really, really focus on making these sites tablet-friendly. More so than any other site. That will demand a lot of usability brainstorming, design and testing. Obviously scrolling should be minimized and links made finger-friendly. Objects per page should be kept to a severe minimum (none of this 200+ objects like you'll hit on amazon.com).

LDUG.org will maintain its original focus, and jablet.net will orient around services, particularly IM. I foresee a sort of wizard approach to its design and functionality. In fact, if I may leap ahead here, what I'd REALLY like to eventually see is users creating a jabber account on jablet.net and then scripting automating the account creation on their tablet. Is it possible? I'd like to think so, and the one who can make that happen will earn lots of virtual cookies.

I also expect both sites to share user registration to keep things simple, and run off a database as much as possible (MySQL I suspect). I can help with database design and SQL queries but again, someone with focus there would be ideal.

I'm pumped! Thanks zero for kicking my butt into gear.
Glad to be of service.

The way I've envisioned this, users to jablet.net will have the ability to download a setup wizard (one click .install file). It should be able to handle:

a) Registering an account.
b) Registering IM gateways.
c) Registering e-mail.
d) Registering other services (blogging: pointing maemo-blog to the right place?)
e) Adding bookmark for Jablet.net

The idea is that as soon as the wizard is complete, the tablet is setup and ready to go with little to no extra setup. All choices will be fully optional and not clobber the user's current settings.

Whether or not we can register Jabber users through this wizard is entirely dependant on the Jabber server allowing it. I doubt that's the case though. I'll have to test it out a bit later tonight. If we have to add users manually, it will be a bit of a pain, but not the end of the world.

Registering gateways from the wizard will require a very minimal Jabber client. Just enough to login, get the gateways from the server and send in the registration info. This shouldn't be too difficult. Anyone interested in helping, let us know.

Just like Nokia is moving towards the mainstream with the tablets step-by-step, our site will be more and more user-friendly as we go.

Inital stage: Services up and working, still requires user knowledge for setting up gateways. Users manually added to site by admins. No tutorials beyond server addresses and port numbers available.
Second stage: Website launched. Graphical tutorials on getting services on the tablet for power users/more determined people.
Third stage: Automated registration and setup wizard written in Python/Ruby/whatever.

As for how long this will take... depending on how much our significant others protest our disappearance, I can see us being past the initial stage with Jabber and e-mail within a few days. Second stage within a few weeks. Third within a month or two from now (depending on our circumstances, if anyone else will help, etc...)

Remember, if there's something you'd like to see us offer, anything, let us know.

Idea: one-click installs of podcasts/videocasts in formats known to work on the tablets for use with Video Center.
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#94
Sounds beautiful.
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Perhaps we can reserve accounts if anyone's interested in being sure they get their prefered name/nick/whatever... if anyone's interested.
 
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2007-11-01 , 20:24
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#96
Good idea.

Folks, PM any one of us if you want to test!

BTW, zero, it *looks* like the domain hosting transfer is ok, although DNS info has not fully propogated.

EDIT: by PM I mean include desired user name and password.
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#97
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Good idea.

Folks, PM any one of us if you want to test!

BTW, zero, it *looks* like the domain hosting transfer is ok, although DNS info has not fully propogated.
Yeah, I still see the old 1and1 page still. Testing should wait until DNS has propogated.
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The new IP for jablet.net will be http://66.33.199.53/. So far it shows an error. Pinging jablet.net still returns the 1and1 IP (74.208.57.12). Arg...
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#99
it can take up to 24 hours for dns to propogate. if this takes off (and I have not doubt it will), maybe it would be worth aiming to move to a cheap, dedicated virtual server. that way we can do whatever we want with it and have complete control. the dreamhosts is a great start, but we are very restricted. I happily stump up $5 a month towards a server. Go the whole hog, jabber, wiki, asterisk (free calls for registered users?) etc... No forum though, wee already got an excellent one here

what about the site? what sort of things are you thinking of including?
 
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2007-11-01 , 22:04
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See previous answers in this thread, pixel, for site purpose. I *think* we've covered it. I agree about the forum; no reason to compete with an obvious winner... although there could be a small, dedicated forum for site-specific support.

And yeah, dreamhost can be used to prove it out, then who knows. We have a year at $29.

Oh, and I sketched out a jablet logo. I'll work on that maybe tomorrow and get a graphic up for preview.
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