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2010-12-21 , 16:59
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#51
Originally Posted by ndi View Post
I have no idea why you think that dealing with MS would get you dragged and shot. MS is not going to tell Nokia how to make phones, if they do they both lose. What do you base your "Windows powered by Nokia" premise?
They won't tell them how to make the phone, but they'll tell them (like they told Samsung, Dell, Acer, and every WP7 licensee) exactly what hardware to use at the most basic level.

Nokia has the upper hand in designing hardware and exterior design, it would be a bad move to take that away. Not that Nokia still designs high-end phones, they are all slabs. N9 is ugly like ME. Oh well, could be temporary.
Opinion.

* Nokia is going to partner with MS not surrender. Any basis for that conclusions other than dragons in the dark?
Why go with WP7 when doing so would marginalize all of your other work, especially one you're developing from the ground up? The same would happen if they went with Android. The US press would especially hype that, while I suspect that they will deliberately be mum if Nokia releases a MeeGo based device.

* Just because MS marketing decided to release unfinished products to keep the 3 year release cycle doesn't mean they can't code.
I didn't say anything about their ability to code.

Vista is W7 alpha, forked for markting. You don't like it, don't get it.
Persistent poor behavior in the market deserves punishment, not reward.

Disinterested? You mean the consumer that would have the choice between Windows and loads of apps and a good development platform and the consumer who would rather have a preferred OS with big holes.
I mean the ones who don't care about open source. You know, the reason that more than a few people stick around here and try to do things while everyone else just buys a new device that's locked down, Like Good Consumers Do. Or does my not choosing an iOS device mean I'm an idiot? Is that what you are trying to imply?

Yes, yes, the OS is fine, it's the apps that suck. So what? It's not like they aren't a package deal.
They aren't a package deal, if they were you wouldn't be charged for them.

In fact, businesses have the best software and for them available is closed. Plus, on a close OS you get both.
Rephrase this, it's confusing.

Still, saying that Windows is Apple basically is not only narrow sighted, but ignores many figures. Apple may be big in mobile now, because market is very young and they have a polished OS. It's way too soon to tell.
My point was that WP7 == iOS, in that they adopted all of the misfeatures that drove me away from iOS. And frankly, I wouldn't give a damn about WP7 if it wasn't MS trying to be Apple-style control freaks. I wouldn't use it, but I also wouldn't bash it.

If anything, the PC market is where this is going. Plus, as soon as X86 is available in poket form I'm out of this transitional mess.
I hope this isn't where the PC market is going. I'd hate to have to buy my PC from my ISP, who preload it with an OS that treats me like the enemy.

And "transitional mess"? Nah, I quite like having the mobile space run on an architecture that isn't supplied entirely by a single vendor.

Sorry to be blunt, but that sounds like it came from a person who hasn't really tried the alternatives.
Ironically, Microsoft is a very anti-alternative corporation. I'm talking about Microsoft's actions in the PC industry as a whole over the last 14 years. The abuse of their monopoly, and conviction. The five years where IE6 sat stagnant, while alternatives were slowly built up and had to harass people into not making "Requires IE6" pages. And the piles of companies run out of business as a result of their attempting to deal with Microsoft in a fair manner (read up on "Stinger" and Microsoft's first foray into the mobile space.)

Without any experience of alternatives, without true and extensive research, "OMG MS is going to eat our phones with their logos" is just FUD.
I have no interest in "experiencing" an OS that explicitly treats me both like an idiot and like an enemy. At least not for longer than is required to get an idea of how it works on the user interaction level. Same reason I don't own an iPhone (or any iOS device) but respect the UI.

Oh and, "in the past 14 years" Maemo has abandoned every single edition of their OS and broke backwards compatibility.
Generally in the Linux world, backwards compatibility isn't a problem. But you toss proprietary software in the mix and life gets hard. Never mind that WP7 won't run any prior windows mobile software.

Might I add it's the only OS on this list that did that. Windows can still run apps from 14 years ago, no recompile. In fact, it can run just about anything ever written for Windows, plus a few old ones for OS/2.
And that's been both a huge albatross around Microsoft's neck as well as the core reason Windows is still the huge monopoly that it is.
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2010-12-21 , 17:09
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#52
Originally Posted by cfh11 View Post
One thing that's getting lost in all this FUD is that Nokia != Meego. So even if Nokia abandons Meego (HIGHLY unlikely) Meego would still live on since it is backed by Intel and the Linux Foundation.
Seeing as how Nokia is a founding member of MeeGo, if they were to go WP7 along side MeeGo it would be a direct blow to the adoption of MeeGo on all devices, even their own. After all, what would it say about an OS when one of the primary contributors adopts a direct competitor?
 

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2010-12-21 , 17:20
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#53
Originally Posted by cfh11 View Post
One thing that's getting lost in all this FUD is that Nokia != Meego. So even if Nokia abandons Meego (HIGHLY unlikely) Meego would still live on since it is backed by Intel and the Linux Foundation.
Yeah, for sure: and that "Meego" without Nokia will be installed in... in? NetBooks? Like all those Ubuntu NetBooks "recycled" in Windows NetBooks?

Android+Google Maps
W7+Ovi Maps
IOS+new nav soft (they are looking for engineers specialized in navigation)

That's the play, Nokia providing "services" to W7.
And that's why they don't want Android, they will try to beat Android (OMG)
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2010-12-21 , 18:46
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
After all, what would it say about an OS when one of the primary contributors adopts a direct competitor?
Well, the "other" primary contributor is Intel. Mostly known for the Wintel duopoly.

So, to say the least, I wouldn't be very surprised. (Note I do not believe Nokia will do that for other reasons).
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2010-12-21 , 19:04
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How about WP7 to replace Symbian in the middle of the range smartphones with Meego just left for the powerful smart phones or mobile computers/tabs, is this why Nokia have already laid off nealry 2000 employees connected with symbian this year?

Symbian = non smart phones

WP7 = smartphones

Meego = mobile computer/tab aka N900
 
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2010-12-21 , 19:10
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I love maemo!

Nokia should push maemo.

Once we will have a "wine for arm":
A program that executes the few useful Windows phone applications in linux!
 
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2010-12-21 , 19:27
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This was exactly what I hoped NOT too happen :@

Some people here said that "Nokia never would go WInmobile" yeah sure. Bussiness as usual and still stupid decission cause of panic inside nokia :-@ And cause most of the stockholders havemnt any clue about tecnical stuf and is only intrested in fast money. And in that case ofcourse a deal with Microsoft is soo great :-(

Again Bussiness as usual. Now I am glad I did NOT invest in stocks at Nokia. I dont want fast money I want GOOD products!!!

Can me troll I have heard it before :-( but now it is even more possible Meego projects dies at the end :-@ Why have internal engineers att nokia working on linux when Microsoft at the end will own Nokia?

I mean cmon!? Three mobile OS where two of them are in the highend segments!? Do you people here really beleive the company wants to invest money in THREE different OS? I dont think soo.

And also Nokia did say they "dont want too use Android cause they want to have control?" Yeah sure I guess that control means Microsoft wants that control and buys nokia at the end.... My guess middle of 2012...


Yeah I really hope above is "troll, lies whatever you want to call it... or I am just overreact but... I have seen it before.


I guess this could be yet another reason Ari Jaksi leaved :-( He didnt beleive in the future plans.

I hope we atleast will see one more linux based handset from Nokia but then I do not expect anymore from Nokia :-(

And I dont wanna use shitty Android soo I hope there will be a small company somewhere that isnt so damn afraid to going forward with core linux and open as much as possible...
 

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2010-12-21 , 19:30
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#58
I personally think this is highly likely.... and it's probably going to be rather good for business (at least in the short term; what with the much better known namebrand and all).

Originally Posted by tgalati4 View Post
Would this be step 5 of 6?
They will declare this as step 7 of course.
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I personally think this is highly likely.... and it's probably going to be rather good for business (at least in the short term; what with the much better known namebrand and all).
Nah, if they go this route then I'd be shocked if they went any other way in the future. Symbian on the low end, WP7 on the rest. MeeGo would be dead in the water, successfully undermined by Microsoft. And the only vendor who did more than keep the open source community at arms length will disappear.

(Oh and don't tell me that other vendors did more. The most you ever got was a source drop from them.)
 

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Originally Posted by cfh11 View Post
One thing that's getting lost in all this FUD is that Nokia != Meego. So even if Nokia abandons Meego (HIGHLY unlikely) Meego would still live on since it is backed by Intel and the Linux Foundation.
Although I, sadly and cynically, expect that Nokia will probably end up going the WP7 route, I really-reaaaaally hope that MeeGo continues moving toward being the OS we actually wanted. As I keep pointing out: MeeGo might end up being a GREAT mobile OS, but it's probably despite Nokia, not because of them.
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