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2007-11-12
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From my personal experience I bypassed the PDA temptation and didn't feel motivated to buy until the N800. Features and price did it for me.
Another thought. I already have Ubuntu on one computer and I won't be upgrading past my Windows 2000. My biggest encouragement was to see how the open source community worked with the Nokia Internet Tablet. The same with the N800/810. Nice call on Nokia's part.
Last edited by belder; 2007-11-12 at 12:54.
Another thought. I already have Ubuntu on one computer and I won't be upgrading past my Windows 2000. My biggest encouragement was to see how the open source community worked with the Nokia Internet Tablet. The same with the N800/810. Nice call on Nokia's part.
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2007-11-12
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PDAs are niche devices. For a handful of people they made complete sense.
Mobile phones are everyman devices. To everybody they make complete sense, from kids to grandmas.
The two most successful 'smartphones' -- the Blackberry and the iPhone -- aren't actually sold as smartphones, and are very conscious to avoid that tainted word.
The issue the 'PDA' market has is that it's old and stale. The issue Nokia and Apple have is that they must avoid the PDA market because it's old and stale. PDAs are 90s devices and have totally failed to evolve beyond 1999.
In short, things are in a state of flux. Companies like Apple and Nokia are delivering devices that people can actually use, rather than devices that certain companies think people need. Subtle but big difference, there. It's depressing that companies like Palm, Microsoft or Symbian just don't get it. It takes a company like Apple or to a lesser extent Nokia to get it. To understand what people want and to be brave enough to give it to them.
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Mobile phones are everyman devices. To everybody they make complete sense, from kids to grandmas.
The two most successful 'smartphones' -- the Blackberry and the iPhone -- aren't actually sold as smartphones, and are very conscious to avoid that tainted word.
The issue the 'PDA' market has is that it's old and stale. The issue Nokia and Apple have is that they must avoid the PDA market because it's old and stale. PDAs are 90s devices and have totally failed to evolve beyond 1999.
In short, things are in a state of flux. Companies like Apple and Nokia are delivering devices that people can actually use, rather than devices that certain companies think people need. Subtle but big difference, there. It's depressing that companies like Palm, Microsoft or Symbian just don't get it. It takes a company like Apple or to a lesser extent Nokia to get it. To understand what people want and to be brave enough to give it to them.
Last edited by rs-px; 2007-11-12 at 12:52.
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2007-11-12
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Originally Posted by Brian
Well, it was not impossible, but it was limited by screen size and the notion that PDAs are desktop-tethered devices.
Several factors are mentioned as the reason for the decline of the PDA. The inability to surf the internet and check email are mentioned as key reasons users are moving away from PDAs to smartphones.
In the long run, conduits killed them. The amount of lost addresses and missed meetings PDAs created thanks to time gaps and concurrency losses caused by their dependency on conduit-syncing to groupware clients on end user PCs pushed them out of what was supposed to be their core field. Over the past years, the number of companies giving out free PDAs has dwindled (if any, they still hand out Blackberries - which would best be classified as intermediate devices), many companies have restricted or dropped sync access, and even more users switched back to or un-synced PDA use or paper-based organizers on their own.
That PDAs are clumsy at direct internet access merely put a stop to all attempts to rescue them by redefining them as a web-based address and calendar access device. But the reason for their demise is worse than that, the fundamental paradigm of a viewer for desktop data is flawed, and was merely a workaround back when only a fraction of office and home users had realtime data access.
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2007-11-12
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Originally Posted by rs-px
Besides that there is a fundamental problem with every organizer: Any organizer is the scapegoat for every missed meeting - and any successful organizer product in the past two decades eventually developed a devastating public reputation out of that...
The issue the 'PDA' market has is that it's old and stale. The issue Nokia and Apple have is that they must avoid the PDA market because it's old and stale.
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Originally Posted by rs-px
I don't think that's quite fair. For companies providing handheld devices, the target is moving and multiple factors are moving it.
It's depressing that companies like Palm, Microsoft or Symbian just don't get it. It takes a company like Apple or to a lesser extent Nokia to get it. To understand what people want and to be brave enough to give it to them.
People still don't know what they want. And technology is changing so rapidly that it's extremely hard to combine technology and functionality to reach users.
For example, Nokia tried a "tablet" form factor with the Nokia 7710. Cool device; I have one. But it fell flat -- mostly because it was too early and did not get the technology right (no wireless, for example, and the phone part wasn't thought through real well). Fast forward 3 years or so, and now the same form factor works in a tablet. No phone function (go figure) and great wireless advances.
And still Nokia is trying to climb out of the niche market with these tablets. I think it's really tough these days. People are just now coming into the idea of what functions they want and need out of a handheld device. And by the time they know, technology will be way ahead of them.
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2007-11-12
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Originally Posted by frethop
Yeah, it's tough. We don't know the half of it, although we sit here on the sidelines *****ing about it all
I don't think that's quite fair. For companies providing handheld devices, the target is moving and multiple factors are moving it.
People still don't know what they want. And technology is changing so rapidly that it's extremely hard to combine technology and functionality to reach users.
For example, Nokia tried a "tablet" form factor with the Nokia 7710. Cool device; I have one. But it fell flat -- mostly because it was too early and did not get the technology right (no wireless, for example, and the phone part wasn't thought through real well). Fast forward 3 years or so, and now the same form factor works in a tablet. No phone function (go figure) and great wireless advances.
And still Nokia is trying to climb out of the niche market with these tablets. I think it's really tough these days. People are just now coming into the idea of what functions they want and need out of a handheld device. And by the time they know, technology will be way ahead of them.
-- Mike
I guess alongside convergence of hardware and social factors, the biggest issue is timing. I think it was the guy who launched Excite search engine who said that getting there too early with an idea is as bad as not getting there at all. Despite our wishes that it would all speed up, these are early days for portable and personal internet devices.
Several factors are mentioned as the reason for the decline of the PDA. The inability to surf the internet and check email are mentioned as key reasons users are moving away from PDAs to smartphones. Several PDA manufacturers are introducing PDAs with GPS and WiFi.
This article really shows why non-connected mobile devices are a dying breed. They are "information islands" without ubiquitous connectivity to the internet. Do these trends that signal the death knell for the non-connected PDA indicate that the market is ready for devices like the N810 with integrated GPS, WiFi and no carrier lock-in?