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2011-02-21 , 12:47
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#1611
Originally Posted by ndi View Post
As for WP, it's better to attract Windows developer than pull Linux developers.
But people familiar with the Qt framework are not necessarily Linux developers. The whole idea of Qt is this concept. Even android has a port of Qt now I believe. Surely they would want as many developers as they can get.
 
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2011-02-21 , 13:06
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Windows system is quite easy to develop on, and the baggage of having to pull Qt framework is large compared to learning a few APIs. Not to mention a RAD tool will make it a breeze.

People that work with Qt are not Linux alone, no, but Qt isn't big on Windows and moving the entire framework is quite a load. I'm thinking that attracting native developers is easier than pulling people over.
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2011-02-21 , 13:09
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Originally Posted by mishmich View Post
That's the way of things in computing & programming. You learn one system, then you find that you have to learn a different one. I started out on Informix, then had to learn Sybase and then MS.SQl Server, and then had to learn Oracle. Once you learn the basics of how databases work, how SQL works, and how client-server applications work, you soon learn how to transfer your skills. Ditto with OS's. I had to learn SCO V, then NT3.5 & 4, then Novell Netware, then vanilla SVR4, then Ultrix, OSF & VMS, then HP.UX, then Sun Solaris, then XP, and eventually Linux (Debian & Ubuntu). I learned a few scripting & programming languages along the way - which depended on what the job I was doing required. They are just tools to allow you do a job for somebody, and if the tool you are using isn't doing the job, you learn how to use a new tool. That's life.

Mish.
Not all coders are technology nymphomaniacs. Some of us have actually found what works best for certain tasks, and stick with it.

I've been using Qt in professional life for maybe 4-5 yrs now, never had to touch .net or microsoft stuff after Qt came out.
It's very simple, choose the wrong toolkit, and you won't find any developers. (or the ones you find, you won't want)
I'm certainly not ever going to code for .net, they had their chance to put Qt and blew it.

It's extremely rude to force people to learn technologies that are INFERIOR.
 
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2011-02-21 , 13:18
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Originally Posted by Funklord View Post
Not all coders are technology nymphomaniacs. Some of us have actually found what works best for certain tasks, and stick with it.

I've been using Qt in professional life for maybe 4-5 yrs now, never had to touch .net or microsoft stuff after Qt came out.
It's very simple, choose the wrong toolkit, and you won't find any developers. (or the ones you find, you won't want)
I'm certainly not ever going to code for .net, they had their chance to put Qt and blew it.

It's extremely rude to force people to learn technologies that are INFERIOR.
You used "extremely rude" in the same sentence with calling other people's choice inferior, in caps, and you didn't even crack a smile?

Cool.
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2011-02-21 , 13:54
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Please tell me more about this technology that can force people to learn things.

It sounds very useful.
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2011-02-21 , 15:21
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You used "extremely rude" in the same sentence with calling other people's choice inferior, in caps, and you didn't even crack a smile?

Cool.
I may have cracked a smile without typing it down
Generally though, people who have tried alternatives aren't usually the ones who use .net (unless they are coerced by other factors, such as unemployment)
 
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2011-02-21 , 16:02
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Nokia has been pretty rebellish the last year indeed. Even I was wondering what their new 5-step plan would be like in order to kill that wich has not been released yet.
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! View Post
Beautifully said. I think that many arguments here are by bruised European egos that cant stomach the fact that Nokia decided to abandon Symbian for american OS, WP7. Forget about Europe vs. America. NOKIA did the right thing by joining with MS. I bought N8 and I tell you its sitting in my glove compartment. Besides camera its OS is just not good enough to cut it in the competitive market. I also played with WP7, much more fluid, much more responsive than Symbian 3.
I already wrote this:
Nokia probably will gain some customers in USA
but it will loose many in the rest of the world.
Rising markets like China are looking for Linux
( e.g. http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=170700943 ) and Nokia is going
into the opposite directory.
So it is not Europe vs. America
but
American market vs. rest of the world market.
Nokia ignores that.

Also it is not a distinction between Symbian and WP7.
Forget both for real smartphones.
It would have been important to develope Maemo and/or MeeGo.
If you compare (the older) Maemo to (the newer) WP7 you'll
see what I mean: WP7 is lame, lacking important features (some were named hereconfs).

Regarding "lame" read this:
"More interesting and informative was the discussion around multi-tasking however. It appears fast task switching does not mean multi-tasking, but rather rapid suspend and restore, and that real multi-tasking will be exclusive to certain tasks such as the background music task, much like on the iPhone."
[ http://wmpoweruser.com/wp7-multi-tas...from-mwc-2011/ ]
If you ever _really_ used a N900 you will know what _real_ multitasking looks like (e.g. tarring some directories and doing a phone call at the same time is no problem).


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This is a win-win for NOKIA. They can still pursue their weegos and meegos and partner with MS that KNOWS how to do software engineering.
"MS that KNOWS how to do software engineering" ?
Are you sure?
Vista was a showcase against your assumption.
Their security handling is another showcase.

Read e.g.
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/...-patch/5495409
or
http://moosehead.cis.umassd.edu/cis5...areIsSoBad.pdf
or
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/200...ourcesafe.html
or
http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix-...lucovsky_html/

Edit: and also this one:
"Microsoft's virus scanner causes security problem"
[ http://www.h-online.com/security/new...m-1196731.html ]

If Nokia goes on with MeeGo - ok.
But why did they decide to go with a half-baked system
like WP7?
Maemo was the only developed and running platform
for real smartphones. And afaics it was stopped.


Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! View Post
And Elop did the timing brilliantly. You dont want to sink with no return. Symbian is destined for history. Sure, masses will still use it for another 5-6 years and you will get your support and so on. But just like any other OS, things change and WP7/8/9/10 will give everyone else run for their money. I would be excited to be at NOKIA know, with new beginning, new cash infusion and ability to work for innovators like MS
There is currently no cash infusion for Nokia.
Stocks sink the last time I looked.
MS and Nokia still talk about the hows and there was
no money flow from MS to Nokia afaics.
And: MS is no innovator and has never been.
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2011-02-21 , 17:57
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Yeah, I thought they were a thing of the past after XP.SP2 - but I have seen this several times on my W7 laptop (not the PC though - that just ends up hanging and I have to do a hard reset to clear it).

Mish
:-(

I do not remember when I had such a hangup on Linux the last time.
Must have been with SuSE 8.something.
 
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2011-02-21 , 18:47
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Nope, you said they will produce something people can use within two months. I said they have yet to produce anything people can use.
And so you are deliberately ignoring everything coming out of the project. Congratulations. April for 1.2 and usability (but not end-user quality) has been stated since roughly September/October, and known earlier due to the 6 month release cycle.

Hardware vendors dropped the ball? I thought you said they would be the ones who would buy it. And the MSI Wind - didn't they invent the netbook? Seems odd for an OS targeting netbooks to not work on the netbook that started the ball rolling.
As I said, blame the hardware vendors for using hardware that has no open source drivers, or drivers that are not in the kernel. You seem to like pointing the finger at Linux/MeeGo, but they have established policies and can only work with hardware for which someone with knowledge about has stood up to support.

I misunderstood - MeeGo is not aimed at users, but hardware vendors. So, it is no use - to me or any other user. Why would I bother with that?
Normally you wouldn't, unless you're a developer. Yet you insist on attacking it for not being something it was never promised to be.
 

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