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These benchmarks are not gospel. They indicate performance under very specific circumstances -- circumstances that are not real-world. It's also hard to make inferences about implementation based on them.
You're also making the mistake in thinking that Android's Java implementation is used in these benchmarks. It is likely not. Android has an NDK which allows Android programs to execute native compiled C/C++ code (though prior to v2.3 the ndk may be called from within a thin java app -- though I would guess that 99.9% of the time is spent native).
Another of thing that may not have been considered is that many of these tests (if not all) are restricted to running on the devices native res. So devices with a higher res are at a natural disadvantage (more pixels).
You're also making the mistake in thinking that Android's Java implementation is used in these benchmarks. It is likely not. Android has an NDK which allows Android programs to execute native compiled C/C++ code (though prior to v2.3 the ndk may be called from within a thin java app -- though I would guess that 99.9% of the time is spent native).
Another of thing that may not have been considered is that many of these tests (if not all) are restricted to running on the devices native res. So devices with a higher res are at a natural disadvantage (more pixels).
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Interesting benchmarks here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/five_dual_co...-news-2426.php
Looks that the OMAP 4 wins the round.
BTW Do the tags remind you with something?
http://www.gsmarena.com/five_dual_co...-news-2426.php
Looks that the OMAP 4 wins the round.
BTW Do the tags remind you with something?
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It seems that the Exynos 4210 (then Orion) indeed has 4 fragment processors in the Mali400 implementation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKPtnZxoWO8
This is very good news.
It seems that ARM is hear to stay in the mobile graphics space. Their GPUs look to compete with Imagination, the reigning champ, and NVidia's upcoming powerhouses.
Let the games begin!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKPtnZxoWO8
This is very good news.
It seems that ARM is hear to stay in the mobile graphics space. Their GPUs look to compete with Imagination, the reigning champ, and NVidia's upcoming powerhouses.
Let the games begin!
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt
So is the Mali 400 like an SGX543MP4 where it actually has 4 graphics cores working in tandem ... or is it just one core separated into four units to handle different types of graphics handling (shaders, tesellation etc etc).
It seems that the Exynos 4210 (then Orion) indeed has 4 fragment processors in the Mali400 implementation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKPtnZxoWO8
This is very good news.
It seems that ARM is hear to stay in the mobile graphics space. Their GPUs look to compete with Imagination, the reigning champ, and NVidia's upcoming powerhouses.
Let the games begin!
I would prefer the first method, although it is less power efficient, you will see the performance increase instantly. And since things are already quite power efficient (durr ARM) I think that point is less important.
Whereas the latter may require a specific optimization on the software end to take advantage of its unique architecture ... (and you know how often things are done properly these days).
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Originally Posted by Kangal
I would assume that the 4 fragment processors are for calculating shaders and are running simultaneously on different workloads (why else have separate cores?). But I will look into that more earnestly. I'm not sure if any of the current breed of SoC GPUs handle tesellation natively, though I suspect that a talented developer could shoehorn something that functions similar into an algorithm.
So is the Mali 400 like an SGX543MP4 where it actually has 4 graphics cores working in tandem ... or is it just one core separated into four units to handle different types of graphics handling (shaders, tesellation etc etc).
I would prefer the first method, although it is less power efficient, you will see the performance increase instantly. And since things are already quite power efficient (durr ARM) I think that point is less important.
Whereas the latter may require a specific optimization on the software end to take advantage of its unique architecture ... (and you know how often things are done properly these days).
It also seems that ARMs drivers specifically take the complexity out of scaling to multiple fragment processors when programming, but I suspect that most SoC GPUs are similar in this regard.
I would love to see the power requirements of the chip overall. Unfortunately this information seems hard to come by!
The Exynos 4210 and Mali400 seems very, very fast, though. I'm looking forward to some proper benchmarks with mature drivers.
The next iteration of the Mali, the T604G, looks to boost this speed by another 4-5x! It may in fact start to rival current console games in graphics, and display this content at 1080p.
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2011-04-18
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It seems as if the next Sammy SoC is getting the bump to 2GHz 
Coming to a smartphone in you in 2012:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_read...-news-2528.php
I doubt this is simply a increased clock Exynos 4210, though rumors suggest that it may be an Exynos branded SoC.
At these speeds, I have little doubt that SoCs will have begun to converge with low-power laptops and netbooks in performance. Spry OSs like Android, iOS, PalmOS, MeeGo, WP7, etc, that have been written to perform very well given confined resources, should elevate the 'feeling of speed' of applications beyond that on the laptop.
Coming to a smartphone in you in 2012:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_read...-news-2528.php
I doubt this is simply a increased clock Exynos 4210, though rumors suggest that it may be an Exynos branded SoC.
At these speeds, I have little doubt that SoCs will have begun to converge with low-power laptops and netbooks in performance. Spry OSs like Android, iOS, PalmOS, MeeGo, WP7, etc, that have been written to perform very well given confined resources, should elevate the 'feeling of speed' of applications beyond that on the laptop.
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2011-04-26
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It seems that Qualcomm is bringing the heat, and this time is targeting ARM with its latest SoC designs:
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/...ter-this-year/
The next generation Quad-core Snapdragon is claimed to be more powerful than ARMs upcoming Cortex A15 design, scales to 2.5GHz @ 28nm, lower power (half at max), and available at the end of this year!
The source link has a bunch of data visualizations to help put the chips performance in perspective.
My question: CPU speed is one thing, but can the next-gen Adreno GPU keep up with the onslaught of incredibly performing mobile GPUs?
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/...ter-this-year/
The next generation Quad-core Snapdragon is claimed to be more powerful than ARMs upcoming Cortex A15 design, scales to 2.5GHz @ 28nm, lower power (half at max), and available at the end of this year
!The source link has a bunch of data visualizations to help put the chips performance in perspective.
My question: CPU speed is one thing, but can the next-gen Adreno GPU keep up with the onslaught of incredibly performing mobile GPUs?
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2011-04-27
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The Next Adreno in the next-gen quad-core Qualcomm MSM89xx SoCs will indeed be the Adreno 320.
There is speculation that samples will ship in early 2012, so we will not see devices until late 2012 at the, uh, earliest. Around that time, the MSM will have to compete with Cortex A15s and Mali T604s, as well as whatever Imagination is cooking up with the PowerVR lineup.
While the on-paper specs look mighty impressive juxtaposed against today's array of SoCs, I'm betting that they will look all the more dull when contending against tomorrow's.
http://www.qualcomm.com/news/release...chipset-family
Here is the press-release:
There is speculation that samples will ship in early 2012, so we will not see devices until late 2012 at the, uh, earliest. Around that time, the MSM will have to compete with Cortex A15s and Mali T604s, as well as whatever Imagination is cooking up with the PowerVR lineup.
While the on-paper specs look mighty impressive juxtaposed against today's array of SoCs, I'm betting that they will look all the more dull when contending against tomorrow's.
http://www.qualcomm.com/news/release...chipset-family
Here is the press-release:
Qualcomm Announces Next-generation Snapdragon Mobile Chipset Family
BARCELONA, SPAIN – February 14, 2011 – Qualcomm Incorporated (NASDAQ: QCOM) today announced its next mobile processor architecture for the Snapdragon family. The new processor micro-architecture, code-named Krait, in the next-generation Snapdragon will redefine performance for the industry, offering speeds of up to 2.5GHz per core and delivering 150 percent higher overall performance, as well as 65 percent lower power than currently available ARM-based CPU cores. These chipsets will be available in single-, dual- and quad-core versions and include a new Adreno® GPU series with up to four 3D cores, and integrated multi-mode LTE modem.
The latest family of Snapdragon chipsets will include the single-core MSM8930™, the dual-core MSM8960™ and the quad-core APQ8064™. All chipsets in the family will integrate a quad-combo of connectivity solutions — WiFi, GPS, Bluetooth and FM — and include support for near field communication (NFC), as well as stereoscopic 3D (S3D) video and photo capture and playback. Support for every major operating system, across all tiers of products, comes standard on all Snapdragon chipsets.
The software compatible chipset family will share the same 28nm technology and new, purpose-built CPUs and GPUs for the best mobile performance at the lowest power consumption. The latest Adreno GPUs will also be included in the family, allowing developers to continue to utilize high-performance Adreno graphics capabilities to drive spectacular gaming and user experiences across all device tiers. The Adreno GPU has the largest mobile graphics ecosystems with hundreds of games for Android, Windows Phone 7 Xbox gaming, and PlayStation Certified gaming.
At the high end, the Adreno 320 quad-core GPU will deliver up to 15 times the performance of the original Adreno to drive the latest games and S3D video on larger-screen devices. Adreno 320 delivers similar graphics performance to today’s latest game consoles, but for mobile devices. In addition, the chipset family will support 3D and S3D games, capture and playback of S3D photos and videos, and output in full HD to a 1080P flat panel display over HDMI.
“Just as the original Snapdragon revolutionized smartphones with the first 1GHz processor, these new generations of Snapdragon will revolutionize the next wave of mobile entertainment and computing,” said Steve Mollenkopf, executive vice president and group president for Qualcomm. “We believe we have an incredible lineup of chips and software, representing a single platform that OEMs can utilize to create new devices ranging from mass market smartphones with integrated LTE, to tablets, to next generation computing and entertainment devices.”
The single-core MSM8930 is the world’s first single-chip solution with an integrated LTE modem designed to take LTE to mass market smartphones. It will include the new Adreno 305 GPU which delivers more than six times the performance of the original Adreno.
The dual-core MSM8960 is the world’s first dual-core solution with an integrated multi-mode 3G/LTE modem and was designed to meet the requirements of multi-tasking smartphones and tablets. It will include dual asynchronous CPU cores which can be independently controlled for maximum efficiency. The MSM8960 will also support dual-channel LP DDR memory and will feature the Adreno 225 GPU which delivers eight times the performance of the original Adreno.
The quad-core APQ8064 will be designed to meet the performance requirements of the next generation of computing and entertainment devices while minimizing power consumption. As with the Snapdragon dual-core, the APQ8064 will include four asynchronous CPU cores which can be independently controlled for maximum efficiency. The Adreno 320 quad-core GPU debuts in the APQ8064 processor where it enables console-quality gaming and renders rich user interfaces.
The APQ8064 will also include a variety of features that make it a compelling processing solution for use in mobile entertainment and computing devices, including support for both PC and LP DDR memory, serial and PCIe interfaces, and multiple USB ports. The APQ8064 will also seamlessly integrate with Qualcomm 3G and LTE MDM™ modems and modules, giving OEMs a flexible and cost-efficient platform that can meet all of their design configuration needs and help reduce time to market.
Samples of the MSM8960 are anticipated to be available in Q2 2011 and samples of the MSM8930 and APQ8064 are anticipated to be available in early 2012.
For more information about the Snapdragon processor’s next-generation CPU architecture, the first quad-core CPU and GPU features, and to see many of the top new devices powered by Snapdragon processors, please visit us during the GSMA Mobile World Congress 2010 (Booth 8B53, Hall 8), Feb. 14-17 in Barcelona or visit www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon.
About Qualcomm
Qualcomm Incorporated (NASDAQ: QCOM) is a world leader in 3G and next-generation mobile technologies. For 25 years, Qualcomm ideas and inventions have driven the evolution of wireless communications, connecting people more closely to information, entertainment and each other. Today, Qualcomm technologies are powering the convergence of mobile communications and consumer electronics, making wireless devices and services more personal, affordable and accessible to people everywhere. For more information, visit Qualcomm around the Web:
www.qualcomm.com
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Except for the historical information contained herein, this news release contains forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties, including the Company’s ability to successfully design and have manufactured significant quantities of APQ8064, MSM8960 and MSM8930 components on a timely and profitable basis, the extent and speed to which the Snapdragon platform is adopted, change in economic conditions of the various markets the Company serves, as well as the other risks detailed from time to time in the Company’s SEC reports, including the report on Form 10-K for the year ended September 26, 2010, and most recent Form 10-Q.
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Pretender to the throne: OMAP5 roadmap hints at raw power:
http://processorbenchmark.com/tag/ar...chmarks-intel/
Will it be enough to contend with the MSM8960? Qualcomm is claiming more performance at lower power.
http://processorbenchmark.com/tag/ar...chmarks-intel/
Will it be enough to contend with the MSM8960? Qualcomm is claiming more performance at lower power.
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But I can't shake this feeling that the OMAP 4430 should perform better than shown. Cause the 4440 is the current beast:
+TI closesly collaborates with ARM and usually polishes up the reference desing (where others just look for areas that they can modify and cut costs).
+TI adds extra functions such as various DSPs and sound modules.
+And the SGX540 is more powerful than the Adreno 220, just barely.
=Going by several guestimates the 4440 should do something close to 40-44fps on that benchmark.
I'm guessing the "appauling" results by the Optimus 3D maybe due to a smaller RAM, underclocking, a biased benchmark (not suprising given Qualcomm's involvement) and most likely dodgey drivers by LG (imminent).
Anybody else notice the iPhone 4's bad results, seems like a biased-benchmark considering the A4 SoC should be on par with the T-mobile G2. However the code is executed by C/C++ or Objective-C which is several layers closer to the cpu/gpu (hardware accelaration) on the A4 than Android's java-implementation. So Apple should have a boost/advantage over the Android competition but the effect seems to be opposite according to those figures.