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gerbick	2012-06-26 , 20:26
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Originally Posted by don.edri

Hey, people, how about we use all this energy and turn it into something good instead of adding volume to this thread?

Agree. But the coding contests may suit them better. I know I don't qualify due to time restraints, but those that are more deserving should have already looked at that as an alternative to this twisted opportunity.

As I can see it, it makes no sense to review the results of the CA. The lesson for the future is clear - alter the way the council members are awarded devices. That simple.

I think it's not apparent but let's be 100% honest. This is more than likely the very last time any CA will ever happen again here. This crew of folks that make up the current Council... that's more than likely the last Council.

And what a legacy some of them have started to make already.

I think the energy of this thread is dwindling once the truths came out, the reasoning behind the usage of the acerbic tone is also known as well.

Nothing can be done. It's apparent that individual is not a civil, nor honest person. And that's what this Council will now represent, even if it's in part just that one individual.

Nothing can be done about that really either. Oh well, I hope that individual enjoys the spoils of this victory. It'll be short-lived.

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	misterc	2012-06-26 , 20:26
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Originally Posted by Dave999

You are so wise. Howcome you are not in council?

Keep it coming...

i'm not in council and i did never apply for a device...
what does that tell you about my interest for this community?
i'm simply a N900s owner and i have made a selection of less then 200 apps which i have installed on at least one of my N900s at all times
i have downloaded the deb packages of those apps and i have several copies of the most recent firmware...
do i need this community?

well, i still can't download PR 1.3.1 other then flashing my device, going online & updating it with SSU.
so, yes, i believe NOKIA will continue to finance at least its own repositories for Maemo and while at it, the community (aka extra) repositories don't cost that much more to keep up & running, do they?
i really wonder, why do i actually even post here

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	woody14619	2012-06-26 , 20:28
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Originally Posted by misterc

management: doing things right
leadership: doing the right thing

council, please?

The problem is, the "right thing" is very dependant on who's talking. The right thing for one person is to take away devices from Council and give them to two other specific members. The right thing for another is to take them from existing winners to give them to a similar set of members who they deem "more worthy". Yet another is to only allow me to vote, which would change a total of three recipients. Many have said they felt the current winners should simply get their devices, and that would be the right thing.

Which "right thing" should be done?

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	misterc	2012-06-26 , 20:30
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Agree. But the coding contests may suit them better. I know I don't qualify due to time restraints, but those that are more deserving should have already looked at that as an alternative to this twisted opportunity.

I think it's not apparent but let's be 100% honest. This is more than likely the very last time any CA will ever happen again here. This crew of folks that make up the current Council... that's more than likely the last Council.

And what a legacy some of them have started to make already.

I think the energy of this thread is dwindling once the truths came out, the reasoning behind the usage of the acerbic tone is also known as well.

Nothing can be done. It's apparent that individual is not a civil, nor honest person. And that's what this Council will now represent, even if it's in part just that one individual.

Nothing can be done about that really either. Oh well, I hope that individual enjoys the spoils of this victory. It'll be short-lived.

again, ask yourself...
who benefits most from Maemo?
the community or NOKIA?

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	woody14619	2012-06-26 , 20:31
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Originally Posted by gerbick

I do believe the information and proof given by SD69 is what folks wanted.

Unfortunately, I think that the misunderstanding was on SD69's side. I believed all along that Estel was going to enter the competition, and he never said otherwise. I think this was a misinterpretation because of a rather minor language barrier.

And yes, I did think everyone but me was running. And I did bring it up, often, that this would be a problem, including at Council meetings. But when Quim and all the rest of Council (and the community present) agree with how things will be done, multiple times, one gets tired or raising the same argument.

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gerbick	2012-06-26 , 20:31
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Originally Posted by woody14619

Which "right thing" should be done?

More transparency, more honesty, more patience from the Council because you all are going to be judged now; fairly or unfairly so.

I think cooler heads have prevailed in this thread, I move that the excitement and energy be used to do something else now that the truth(s) are now known.

And I'll have to admit; despite not knowing or caring for this person, Estel is now the second person to have been placed on my ignore list here at TMO in my nearly 5 years here.

His remarks will not be missed.

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	misterc	2012-06-26 , 20:32
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Originally Posted by woody14619

The problem is, the "right thing" is very dependant on who's talking. The right thing for one person is to take away devices from Council and give them to two other specific members. The right thing for another is to take them from existing winners to give them to a similar set of members who they deem "more worthy". Yet another is to only allow me to vote, which would change a total of three recipients. Many have said they felt the current winners should simply get their devices, and that would be the right thing.

Which "right thing" should be done?

those would just be righting things, not doing the right thing

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	Dave999	2012-06-26 , 20:34
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Originally Posted by misterc

i'm not in council and i did never apply for a device...
what does that tell you about my interest for this community?
i'm simply a N900s owner and i have made a selection of less then 200 apps which i have installed on at least one of my N900s at all times
i have downloaded the deb packages of those apps and i have several copies of the most recent firmware...
do i need this community?

well, i still can't download PR 1.3.1 other then flashing my device, going online & updating it with SSU.
so, yes, i believe NOKIA will continue to finance at least its own repositories for Maemo and while at it, the community (aka extra) repositories don't cost that much more to keep up & running, do they?
i really wonder, why do i actually even post here

Why are you even here? You have you n900s and 200 apps all the time

that explained why are not in the council.

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	woody14619	2012-06-26 , 20:36
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Originally Posted by Texrat

I don't think it's advocating political correctness to ask council members to avoid inflammatory verbiage.

Really? Because that's pretty much the definition of political correctness as I know it.

You of all people should know that Council (and moderators) are people, not robots. Sometimes a light-hearted comment is a good way to nip conversation in the bud and move on. I know that you know this, and that it can wind up being blow way out of proportion, so why add to this? (I recall a certain thread closing post you did that everyone went nuts over a year or so back that was not so dissimilar.)

Sorry, but I do call what's happening here (and in the other thread) crazy. I stand by that, even as I participate in it.

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gerbick	2012-06-26 , 20:37
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Originally Posted by misterc

again, ask yourself...
who benefits most from Maemo?
the community or NOKIA?

Neither. Given how this went down, just a few rather scandalous individuals are benefitting the most.

Point to them, ask them. I'm no longer sure I can answer much more since it seems no matter what, who needs to benefit from Nokia is dwindling down due to actions as we've all bear witness to as of late.