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2012-12-29
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Yesterday I sold my last nokia stocks and took a small hit. I don't want to be in the boat when Q4 results are presented. I simply have no clue how the stock will react. Might buy a small posts again if the figures looks right, like they can make some progress.
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Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
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2012-12-29
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Originally Posted by Dave999
To reuse the overused (that Elop guy has a way with memes) metaphor:
Yesterday I sold my last nokia stocks and took a small hit. I don't want to be in the boat when Q4 results are presented. I simply have no clue how the stock will react. Might buy a small posts again if the figures looks right, like they can make some progress.
People running from a burning platform don't just dive from rowboat. You sue big Oil or row until exhaustion. HUGE (aapl huge) company is behind you making waves, wait for xbox effect or ms lost it, to google docs. lol, still can't make any .doc look right with it, definitely killer for ms lol
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2012-12-29
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Originally Posted by szopin
The 920T is available on China Mobile on a $62 per month contract, likewise the 920 on China Unicom.
http://www.zdnet.com/nokias-china-mo...le-7000008422/
Nokia won the fight on carriers which many people in this thread assumed to be crucial to success. Twice of the population (whole, how many <7 yos get a smartphone?) of US are registered phone users of this carrier alone. Naysay all you want, people overlook facts all the time - see TomiAhonen
The national average annual salary for a city dweller in China is now around $6800 (around $567 per month).
As $62 is more than 10% of the average monthly gross salary of a city dweller (who presumably make considerably more than China's rural citizens) I doubt this offer will get too many takers, in fact to me the whole deal has the smack of a gesture about it.
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2012-12-29
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Originally Posted by szopin
This isn't "naysaying" it's looking at past figures. If that is naysaying then so be it
http://www.zdnet.com/nokias-china-mo...le-7000008422/
Nokia won the fight on carriers which many people in this thread assumed to be crucial to success. Twice of the population (whole, how many <7 yos get a smartphone?) of US are registered phone users of this carrier alone. Naysay all you want, people overlook facts all the time - see TomiAhonen
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_12960107.htm
what you are doing though is projecting future results based on a carrier deal to stock a phone. Let me ask you what did the second largest US carrier, AT&T's deal, do for Nokia? Did it change the balance in the US? Not really. Now look at the actual numbers, most of China Mobiles subscribers are still on low end 2G, only 11% are on 3G, these are not the smartphone crowd, expecting them all to switch to a Lumia 920T or even a Nokia is wishful thinking especially when China Mobile will now also offer its own branded phones for a fraction of the cost.
If the consumers do not show interest in a phone then there is only so much a carrier deal can do, your own linked article says as much too and the US AT&T deal has already shown it.
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2012-12-29
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Anecdotal I realise but a friend of mine just popped in from a couple of weeks round trip through Hong Kong and then Tokyo.
What surprised him was the mix of phones in use.
The iPhone was no longer the obvious one being used and the primary one by a clear margin was the Galaxy Note.
He didn't see a single Windows phone during his entire trip.
just saying
rgds
What surprised him was the mix of phones in use.
The iPhone was no longer the obvious one being used and the primary one by a clear margin was the Galaxy Note.
He didn't see a single Windows phone during his entire trip.
just saying
rgds
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2012-12-29
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Originally Posted by Cue
In that whole market aapl is happy to announce 2m sold iPhones 5. 920 is going to the managers and well to do ppl. The fact is there is no cheap iPhone and there are 610/710 Nokia phones AND asha. If people get to know a good brand (harder to break than Berlin wall) they will get hooked on it. I have my phone for over a year and a half (22 months exactly), first one to survive that long. And very happy it is N900. The quality is just uncomperable to others (friend from office got his iPhone replaced 3 times already)
This isn't "naysaying" it's looking at past figures. If that is naysaying then so be it
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_12960107.htm
what you are doing though is projecting future results based on a carrier deal to stock a phone. Let me ask you what did the second largest US carrier, AT&T's deal, do for Nokia? Did it change the balance in the US? Not really. Now look at the actual numbers, most of China Mobiles subscribers are still on low end 2G, only 11% are on 3G, these are not the smartphone crowd, expecting them all to switch to a Lumia 920T or even a Nokia is wishful thinking especially when China Mobile will now also offer its own branded phones for a fraction of the cost.
If the consumers do not show interest in a phone then there is only so much a carrier deal can do, your own linked article says as much too and the US AT&T deal has already shown it.
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2012-12-29
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
Best part is it is growing/raising all the time. So many articles on reddit how US workers get less and less each year. All US population having an iPhone still makes less than a half of a single chinese carrier subscribers. Nokia cutting in is a big deal
The 920T is available on China Mobile on a $62 per month contract, likewise the 920 on China Unicom.
The national average annual salary for a city dweller in China is now around $6800 (around $567 per month).
As $62 is more than 10% of the average monthly gross salary of a city dweller (who presumably make considerably more than China's rural citizens) I doubt this offer will get too many takers, in fact to me the whole deal has the smack of a gesture about it.
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2012-12-30
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Originally Posted by szopin
Do you really think salaries are going to grow fast enough in China that this deal will become affordable to a significant percentage of China Mobile's subscribers within the time frame of the 920 being a relevant device?
Best part is it is growing/raising all the time. So many articles on reddit how US workers get less and less each year. All US population having an iPhone still makes less than a half of a single chinese carrier subscribers. Nokia cutting in is a big deal
You say NOKIA are 'cutting in'? China Mobile (who are by far the biggest carrier) were part of the MeeGo working group! So how do you think NOKIA cut out in the first place?
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Nokia won the fight on carriers which many people in this thread assumed to be crucial to success. Twice of the population (whole, how many <7 yos get a smartphone?) of US are registered phone users of this carrier alone. Naysay all you want, people overlook facts all the time - see TomiAhonen