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2013-09-22
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Well then the sw/ecosystem experience better be so compelling, that it's enticing to even the most entrenched Android/iOS/WP/BBX users.*
They've put sooo much emphasis on:
They've said very clearly & regularly it'll be approx. a mid-ranged/specced device, but one that's still literally "a high-end experience".
And all that still remains as murky as ever, if they're not going to deliver (at all) on hw, they better bloody deliver there, & with TOH's.
Or I'll visit their HQ to give Marc a Chinese burn....
*& by that I don't mean the 64k +- nerds that hang-out here, if they're to survive longer-term they'll need to appeal to a FAR wider audience
Last edited by jalyst; 2013-09-22 at 12:44.
They've put sooo much emphasis on:
Oh but the hw doesn't really matter, not at all, don't worry, it will compete even with handsets armed-to-the-teeth with hw, all because of our magic dust sw.
Add to that the extra goodies you get when you have an open platform that you are able to tweak and the delight of using the familiar GNU toolchain, it is just impossible to resist
Or I'll visit their HQ to give Marc a Chinese burn....
*& by that I don't mean the 64k +- nerds that hang-out here, if they're to survive longer-term they'll need to appeal to a FAR wider audience
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2013-09-22
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
You dont need to be 64bit to have 2GB, & the new iPhone is the iP5S not iP6, it's 64bit, not sure if they doubled the RAM though, can't recall.
Summary is if Jolla has inserted a 64bit SoC I could understand they need > 2Gb. But right now I think 1Gb is enought if the OS is optimized and the developers free unused resources when app is sleeping. Apps that eats to much memory are ooften bad applications.
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2013-09-22
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Ofcourse not, but the reason more memory is often the more bits used the more memory also used.
You dont need to be 64bit to have 2GB, & the new iPhone is the iP5S not iP6, it's 64bit, not sure if they doubled the RAM though, can't recall.
Originally Posted by jalyst
Question is "if FAR wider audience." does they care much about highend specs? I doubt. I think hiend speecs geeks are most guys that bus new devices every 3 month and never get enought.
The sw/ecosystem experience better be so compelling that it'll be enticing to even the most entrenched Android/iOS/WP/BBX users then.*
They've put sooo much emphasis on:
They've said very clearly & regularly it'll be approx. a mid-ranged/specced device, but one that's still literally "a high-end experience".
And all that still remains as murky as ever, if they're not going to deliver (at all) on hw, they better bloody well deliver there, or I'll visit HQ to give Marc a Chinese burn.
*& by that I don't mean the 64k +- nerds that hang-out here, if they're to survive longer-term they'll need to appeal to a FAR wider audience
I think normal customers care far more about:
* what apps exist, instagram, angrybirds.....
* coolnes (question is can OTH be cool?)
* usable everywhere (sync with MacOS, dropbox, windows, linux TV)
* how long batteryttime
* Does it take good photos inhouse and out (no I don't talk bout mpix, most people dont know what mpix or ISO is about, what they can see is the quality of the pictures they take. And many mobile is crap in this area and people will not buy if testers give Jolla phone bad points in this area). I mean can it replace your compact camera? This days most people don't want to have both an phone and an compact camera. Not even people who cares a purse.
* How buggy SW does you have to restart phone every day because an apps goes nut or even worse the core OS crashes?
* How "buggy" HW do I have to send it to get fixed because broken USB etc... (now this is a issue that scares me alot. Does Jolla has enought money to make all those heavy tests needed?
And now too the biggest problem for Jolla:
* Can Jolla Phone make bigger audience go from my Iphone or Samsung to this new little company? The answer is yes. If the price is not to high and they success in above areas.
Now thats bigger concerns than latest and greatest HW specs for endusers.
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2013-09-22
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
2GB's been quite common for ages now, esp. with Android, I'm sure there's many folks in the Android/WP/Other communities who've found it to be very useful.
Ofcourse not, but the reason more memory is often the more bits used the more memory also used.
I'm going away for at least 12hrs, too much to do IRL, happy fretting folks...
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Has people noticed that trhere is an question mark around:
* MicroSD
* Qualcomm Snapdragon™ Dual Core 1.4GHz
on the http://jolla.com/your-jolla/ homepage?
* MicroSD
* Qualcomm Snapdragon™ Dual Core 1.4GHz
on the http://jolla.com/your-jolla/ homepage?
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2013-09-22
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
No, at least not on Firefox...
Has people noticed that trhere is an question mark around:
* MicroSD
* Qualcomm Snapdragon™ Dual Core 1.4GHz
on the http://jolla.com/your-jolla/ homepage?
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2013-09-22
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Originally Posted by szymeczek34
If it is an adreno 3xx SoC from Qualcomm then I am quite content, dual-core or otherwise. A dual-core Krait based CPU clocked at north of 1GHz will provide great performance on an optimised platform like Jolla. I wanted a 28nm SoC with a GPU that supports the current API standards, and fingers crossed that is what i have got.
Oh come on, those spec are pretty good. It doesnt matter if its highend or lowend, it matters if its fast enough and dual krait is fast. Sure it's not the fastest but its much faster than our old a8.
Originally Posted by szymeczek34
You say "fullhd" as if anyone here was honestly expecting that, we weren't. There were a lot of people who expected 720p, however....
Resolution? Its like you will ever hardly notice the difference. In webpages, yes of course but you would have to be 10years old to read a webpage without zooming it on a 5'' screen fullhd.
Originally Posted by szymeczek34
Agreed, my N9 frequently grinds to a halt when I have half a dozen browser windows open along with a few chat windows etc. Live multitasking with active frames in the background is resource intensive, a bump up from 1GB would have been nice. The S4 Mini comes with a dual-core krait tied to 1.5GB, that would have been nice.
The thing that worries me is 1gb of ram, but still, how many of you remeber when 1gb was hard to fill on a pc? I believe it will be alright.
Originally Posted by szymeczek34
Agreed. That i am at the end of my contract (cheap so I can wait) and desire a shiny new piece of tech to replace my two year old N9, is my problem.
If we want a 'highend' jolla of your point of view we must support them and hope their third phone will be a 'highend'.
I am looking at the amazing hardware of the Xperia z1 and repulsed by the fact that it comes with android.
I am looking at the Swipe style UI of the BB Z30 with its N9 style feed aggregation plus live multitasking, and a little put off by the closed'ness of it.
I am looking at the Jolla phone and loving the open'ness and the UI intercation, but I've just had a bit of a shock with the hardware it's going to run on.
A set of choices I imagine many people are weighing up.
just for reference, this is roughly what i had in mind as easily achievable mid-range hardware at the close of 2013:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_sp-5364.php
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2013-09-22
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
wrong encoding of some special char.
Has people noticed that trhere is an question mark around:
* MicroSD
* Qualcomm Snapdragon™ Dual Core 1.4GHz
on the http://jolla.com/your-jolla/ homepage?
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2013-09-22
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Would it be too far fetched that they will release multiple variants? Variants with 1GiB, 2GiB RAM, 16/64GB flash, perhaps even higher spec screen, cpu? The now released specs would then be sold at the €400 mark, but hey, for higher specs I'd be willing to go (much) higher.
Also, I wonder how Canonical could make an ultra-high-end for what, €680, whereas Jolla struggles to design a barely mid-end for €400. If I didn't preorder the Jolla already, that Ubuntu device was a real thing, and Canonical didn't suffer so much of the NIH-syndrome, I'd buy one.
However, I do understand that creating Sailfish isn't exactly cheap (but Canonical seems to manage it too), TOH is something special, and there might be some really special specs not yet revealed.
Also, I wonder how Canonical could make an ultra-high-end for what, €680, whereas Jolla struggles to design a barely mid-end for €400. If I didn't preorder the Jolla already, that Ubuntu device was a real thing, and Canonical didn't suffer so much of the NIH-syndrome, I'd buy one.
However, I do understand that creating Sailfish isn't exactly cheap (but Canonical seems to manage it too), TOH is something special, and there might be some really special specs not yet revealed.
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It's the usability and feel that counts, in the end, and I have no doubt when you set the Jolla device next to an iphone or a s4 it will look and feel fresh and welcoming.
Add to that the extra goodies you get when you have an open platform that you are able to tweak and the delight of using the familiar GNU toolchain, it is just impossible to resist