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2009-10-19
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#102
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Originally Posted by sharper
I believe it was maemo's decision not to have it. I think someone from maemo can provide a better answer for the chances of it happening. On the other hand, the code for is the S60 Java Runtime is considered to be contributed to Symbian Foundation.
Thanks for the informative post!
What do you think are the chances of this happening? Alternatively what are the chances of the necessary code being made available so a community effort can proceed?
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2009-10-19
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#103
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Originally Posted by ovjo12
Sure Enterprise has always been a big area for Java - I would think there are quite a few bespoke Java apps out there and organisations that can't/won't authorise devices which are not capable of running them.
I totally agree with you!
I could also add for a enterprise customer that already had made strategic decisions about what platform they should use on the server (for example JavaEE) and on the client (for example JavaME), these company usually don't think Maemo devices is choose now, because there is no JavaME support. They think it is to expensive to port already existent JavaME applications and they also have not developers with Qt knowledge.
Java is probably one of the least visible platforms to most people so it leads them to think it's not all that important. Unfortunately Android seems to have brought the perception of Java right back to the 90s if this thread is any indication.
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2009-10-19
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#104
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More Apps the better surely. Right now there are two places that those Apps can seriosly bolster the N900 catalog :Java and Flash without asking the developers to make a switch.
Understand Nokias hesitation as Qt is the strategic way forwards, but i cant see either of the above developers making the switch as they have so many other platforms to worry about other than Maemo.
Mike C
Understand Nokias hesitation as Qt is the strategic way forwards, but i cant see either of the above developers making the switch as they have so many other platforms to worry about other than Maemo.
Mike C
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2009-10-19
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#105
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Originally Posted by qole
Qole are you saying that iced tea debs work on the N810? If so how have you installed and tested?
I've been pretty impressed with OpenJDK/IcedTea on the tablets. It is pretty slow, but it is a very complete implementation of Java SE.
I haven't attempted it on the N900, but if it were fast enough, it certainly would be the way to go.
Note that the Debian armel version linked above might be an excellent place to start with a Maemo port.
Mike C
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2009-10-19
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#106
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I have now posted the two brainstorm proposals with the discussed solutions. i'll leave the wiki page as-is for now.
Please vote here for Java ME solutions.
Please vote here for Java SE solutions.
i have kept the options of nokia providing the commercial versions, but dropped the options where nokia ports open implementations.
i also tried to give a little information with the solutions, so people have a picture what they're voting about.
if anyone spots incorrect information or has a new option to offer, feel free to tell me to correct it or to post additional solutions!
Please vote here for Java ME solutions.
Please vote here for Java SE solutions.
i have kept the options of nokia providing the commercial versions, but dropped the options where nokia ports open implementations.
i also tried to give a little information with the solutions, so people have a picture what they're voting about.
if anyone spots incorrect information or has a new option to offer, feel free to tell me to correct it or to post additional solutions!
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2009-10-19
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#107
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Originally Posted by SubCore
Perhaps add:
I have now posted the two brainstorm proposals with the discussed solutions. i'll leave the wiki page as-is for now.
Please vote here for Java ME solutions.
Please vote here for Java SE solutions.
i have kept the options of nokia providing the commercial versions, but dropped the options where nokia ports open implementations.
i also tried to give a little information with the solutions, so people have a picture what they're voting about.
if anyone spots incorrect information or has a new option to offer, feel free to tell me to correct it or to post additional solutions!
Solution #4: Community ports S60 Java Runtime as it is considered to be contributed to Symbian Foundation.
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2009-10-19
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#108
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Originally Posted by ovjo12
do we have access to the source of the S60 Java Runtime? the link gorkem provided does not have any information on this, and i don't know enough about the symbian foundation and it's licensing scheme to judge from.
Perhaps add:
Solution #4: Community ports S60 Java Runtime as it is considered to be contributed to Symbian Foundation.
when we have verified this as a possible option, i will add it.
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2009-10-19
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#109
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From http://developer.symbian.org/forum/s...ead.php?t=2229
That was at the end of June. Maybe it's changed since then but I can't find any sign of the source code there.
If we are very lucky, Nokia may consider contributing some of this to the Symbian Foundation. However, we'll have to wait and see.
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2009-10-19
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#110
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Originally Posted by SubCore
Yes I agree, someone from Nokia have to answer when S60 Java Runtime will contributed to Symbian Foundation, perhaps get the information first and then vote, at Nokia Developer Summit, Nokia talked about before end of this year, but I don't know?
do we have access to the source of the S60 Java Runtime? the link gorkem provided does not have any information on this, and i don't know enough about the symbian foundation and it's licensing scheme to judge from.
when we have verified this as a possible option, i will add it.
Last edited by ovjo12; 2009-10-19 at 12:54.
I could also add for a enterprise customer that already had made strategic decisions about what platform they should use on the server (for example JavaEE) and on the client (for example JavaME), these company usually don't think Maemo devices is choose now, because there is no JavaME support. They think it is to expensive to port already existent JavaME applications and they also have not developers with Qt knowledge.