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2007-09-30 , 22:48
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#121
Originally Posted by earl00 View Post
I think Nokia are scum. They release unfinished expensive devices one after the other, and fool everyone to think their devices are released complete. $300-400 was the price for the 770 and 800 when first released. Then they hardly give any support for their rushed devices before they want us to believe/purchase a brand new $400 device again that claims to be worth the upgrade. What about people that got there device 6 months after its released, they get to use their device for less than a year before it gets dropped and unsupported. Then nokia expect us to fork out another $400 for something that hopefully works well and will be supported for more than 1 year. I hate apple, but a least there devices get support for eternity unlike Nokia scum. I couldn't care less for the new tablet. My hard earned money will go to another company. This next IT will come out and nokia will leave it up to 3rd party to develop apps, there goes n800 support from Nokia and 3rd party, then ... you know the cycle. Give us at least a proper media center or pay someone to write good programs - give money to coreplayer or something, i'm sick of loading 4 different players to play certain video/music files. No word, pc sync, nothing... for those who have the n800 already stay far way from Nokia's future marketing scams. Let them show us they can support the next device by showing us first with the N800 and 770. DO NOT GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT(money) BEFORE THEY GIVE US WHAT WE ASK(support). DO NOT BUY THE NEW IT. Let the new IT suffer so they can finally learn not to screw the consumer over all the time. And Thoughtfix, I hope you tell Nokia these things when you go to these parties, try not to suck up to them so they can send you a free device to write good reviews - i know how things work in that department.
Why do you think the tablets are open (unlike Apple)? If you want something, go ahead and make it or pay someone else to do it. Things aren't perfect, but they're better than you think. They've promised us support for the N800 for at least the next two major Maemo versions. They continue to support the 770 by paying people to work on it even though there's no profit to be made from it (2007 HE). They keep putting out newer applications like Video Center.

And besides, it's not like Nokia dropping support for an older tablet makes it suddenly useless like you seem to think. It's not like Nokia announces that the 770 is no longer supported and you just can't use it anymore.

Nokia's shown me with the N800 that they are interested in catering to people like me and they're showing that they are interested in improving upon their previous work. I have no doubt it'll be the same with the next tablet and I'll happily give them my money for it.
 
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This is exciting news indeed! Great work ThoughtFix.
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#123
Originally Posted by earl00 View Post
I think Nokia are scum.
Steady on, earl!

Originally Posted by earl00 View Post
I hate apple, but a least there devices get support for eternity unlike Nokia scum.
Bo11ox, quite frankly.

Good luck getting Mac OS X 10.4 (or later) to run on any Apple G3 or G4 powered kit, or even late model G5s. The OS won't install, even though the kit may be capable of running the OS. Why? Because Apple prevent the OS installing on their old hardware - it's intentional and somewhat cynical. To me this makes Apple far worse than Nokia, although in fairness to Nokia they did at least have a change of heart and extended 770 OS support after considering the community response.

Comparing Apple with Nokia is not always a good basis for an argument.

Support for the N800 and also 770 will continue once this new device is launched - that's been stated by Nokia already. Getting all bent out of shape because a consumer electronics company releases a new device n months after you bought the last model is just fcking stupid - it's a fact of life. Get used to it. If you don't like it, don't ever buy anything and keep waiting for the next new device that's "just around the corner".
 
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Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
Good luck getting Mac OS X 10.4 (or later) to run on any Apple G3 or G4 powered kit, or even late model G5s. The OS won't install, even though the kit may be capable of running the OS. Why? Because Apple prevent the OS installing on their old hardware - it's intentional and somewhat cynical. To me this makes Apple far worse than Nokia, although in fairness to Nokia they did at least have a change of heart and extended 770 OS support after considering the community response.


Comparing Apple with Nokia is not always a good basis for an argument.
I know this is a bit off-topic, and I don't intend to inflame or cause any hostility, but I have 10.4.10 running just fine on an old 400Mhz G3 (no effort at all, installed fine), and you can install some versions on unsupported systems using XPostFacto to side-step the limitation of the OS.

If you consider the fact that the B&W G3 was released in 1999, I'd say Apple's support for 8 year old hardware in their current OS is pretty good. I don't see how an OS release like 10.5 removing support for hardware almost a decade old would be unreasonable, even 5 years is still a good range.

I think the comparison is, as you say, not a good basis for an argument.
 
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Milhouse, it costs you credibility to say that 10.4 won't run on old hardware. I have it on a G4 and my wife has it on one of the very first G5s. Studies show that people run Apple computers longer, on average, than Windows computers. So it's likely that other people will call you on this. When you say something so easily disproven, prefaced with "Bollox!" it just makes me discount other things you say.
 
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I feel your pain earl00, and if you would of asked me just a few months ago I would of said the same thing (and I probably did) now comes the "but" after using the IT for nearly a year now I can certainly see the reasons for a new IT. I, like you and many others either don't necessarily have the "expendable" cash to be able to stay on the bleeding edge, but weather we admit it or not the IT/UMPC market is exactly that. You brought up the Apple comparison, and thats always a tough comparison, as is most apple to oranges comparisons, it seems apple brings out "updated" devices about every 3-6 months and as I and others have pointed out even when the next IT is available our 770s and 800s by no means will become un-usable or obsolete, (as is with most apple devices) they just won't have the same usability or functions as the new one. Being on the bleeding edge certainly has it's ups and downs I've wanted an inexpensive tablet/UMPC/hand held device for years but haven't had the cash for such a device until the Nokia IT came about (and I became aware of). Is this device perfect or the end all of HH devices well that just depends on what you are expecting out of the device when you bought it. I think the longer you have and use this device you "want and wish" it did more, or wish that it did certain things better, and this comes back to why or what reasons you bought the device in the first place. I personally do not have an ipod/PMP, PDA, smartphone or a laptop so the IT for me fills in a huge gap and for the money I don't see how you could go wrong. Do I think it did certain things better like playing imbedded media within a webpage, playing of all/"other" forms of media files within a single or built-in player, viewing or compatibilty of certain web pages, and so on and so on etc. yeh but this and other things all come back to why you bought it what you're expectations were going into it. What Nokia has developed and mfg. with this device and then with what 3rd party's have done with it are quite amazing, and the support from Nokia to those 3rd party's is amazing as well given the time they brought out this device could it be better or faster that'll always be up for debate and you have to consider many apps and software for this device were never thought of or even considered by Nokia themselves how could they, and at the very least Nokia isn't out there suing every one in sight for trying to do things with the IT it never thought of or even thought possible. So is this device perfect or has Nokia's support been perfect no but it's surely trying and at least listening to their users and thats more then I can say of most other dev's and mfg's out there. Just look at the evolution of software and hardware from the 770, 800 and the purposed next IT, all within what 2 years or so.
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#127
Originally Posted by earl00 View Post
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I, for one, am extremely satisfied with both my two 770s and my N800. Nokia has already stated that they will not be dropping software support for the N800 for at least two more whole-number revisions.

Also, crazies need to learn how to use paragraphs.
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#128
Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
Good luck getting Mac OS X 10.4 (or later) to run on any Apple G3 or G4 powered kit, or even late model G5s. The OS won't install, even though the kit may be capable of running the OS. Why? Because Apple prevent the OS installing on their old hardware - it's intentional and somewhat cynical.
Oh ********, G3s and G4s 800mhz and slower will not be able to install 10.5. Apple doesn't believe that these machines will be able to provide the user with a decent computing experience with the new OS (mostly due to the implementation of more and more graphics-accelerated APIs like Core Image). It's not like it's particularly difficult to workaround those blocks, in any case.

As an owner of several generations of Macintosh computers from a 333mhz iMac to one of those "late model G5s" you speak of, I can attest to the fact that 10.4 installs and runs perfectly fine on all of them, and 10.5 will work perfectly fine on both my G5 and my Quicksilver G4 (if not the iMac, but that's far-gone enough to be unpleasant to use these days). If you're going to argue against Apple, you might as well get the facts straight.
 
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#129
Originally Posted by jmk View Post
UI performance could be better, snappier. Hopefully the upcoming Maemo 4.0 Chinook release (especially upgraded GTK) boosts N800's UI performance.
To an extent, sure, but I still feel too many people must be expecting desktop performance from these tiny things, based on comments. That convergence is a while away... maybe never.
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To an extent, sure, but I still feel too many people must be expecting desktop performance from these tiny things, based on comments. That convergence is a while away... maybe never.
Never say never. Geek hope is a strong and powerful force that has changed the technological landscape throughout the ages. Don't underestimate the minds of several creative people out there. Especially those in the right places with the right resources to "make things happen".
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