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2011-02-14
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Originally Posted by maverick788us
Of course you will, many people have been running android on their N900s.
You won't see any any Android device which is not having a CPU less than 1Ghz.
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2011-02-14
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Originally Posted by egoshin
You can't be further from the truth. Maemo is in almost every way different than Android, they are similar only by the name of their kernel, and even then Google stripped out a lot of the one going into Androids making it increasingly difficult to upstream.
However, it doesn't do a difference to original statement - Android and Maemo are similar and Android succeess crushes any speaches that WM is more suitable for sucess on mobile market.
If they were any similar, I'd be running Android now and Maemo would be a fuzzy, albeit warm memory.
Originally Posted by egoshin
N900 was never mentioned to be a flagship, not even a mass-user device, and its hardware was more than adequate for the time of its conception (early 2009, it was HW complete long prior to its release).
They used for "flagship" N900 not very good CPU and then say that Maemo can't be better than competitors choice!
Originally Posted by egoshin
On the same hardware - no way. No matter how good VM you build, no matter how optimized its JIT pathways are, you can't beat native execution. And manufacturers didn't choose to run non-GPU accelerated graphics on their Android devices (original Droid has the same GPU as the N900, yet its not used for UI acceleration) - Google chooses that for them. Android does not support GPU acceleration (it will, eventually, they keep putting it off for each new version). Of course, they'll conveniently say that the manufacturers should include their optimizations all by themselves if they want to accelerate their UIs, but that is just to mask the original problem - that Android is still just a glorified virtual machine. GPU acceleration hooks should exist in gfx drivers (just like those exist for video acceleration), and then there would be no problem, but that makes writing drivers longer and would require a good revamp of the Dalvik stack which Google seems to put off for years now.
Android actually runs faster then Maemo. But some manufacturers choose run graphic without acceleration due to CPU price list and software development efforts and that choice requires a fast CPU without any GPU
Please inform yourself prior to making statements such as these.
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2011-02-14
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Originally Posted by alcalde
Elopoos on Finland
You left out an option, "Nokia erects a lifesize gold statue of Mr. Elop in the lobby of Nokia HQ and town is renamed Elopoo in his honor".
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2011-02-14
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2011-02-14
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Originally Posted by zwer
Not true. Google does not strip anything from Linux kernel, it actually add some drivers to kernel. It is not Google who deleted that stuff from mainstream kernel and that is a reason why you don't see some new fancy features in Google's kernel.
You can't be further from the truth. Maemo is in almost every way different than Android, they are similar only by the name of their kernel, and even then Google stripped out a lot of the one going into Androids making it increasingly difficult to upstream.
However, it is a separate topic.
N900 was never mentioned to be a flagship
Android does not support GPU acceleration (it will, eventually, they keep putting it off for each new version). Of course, they'll conveniently say that the manufacturers should include their optimizations all by themselves if they want to accelerate their UIs... like those exist for video accelleration and then there would be no problem.
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2011-02-14
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Originally Posted by TimusEravan
Did he actually come on stage swinging like a chimp chanting "Developers, developers............. *Whispers into microphone* "Errrrm...I forgot the words, Steve......... Oh yeah, thanks............" "Devepolers, devepolers, devepolers......"
Is this Nokia speaking or MS?
Nokia: 'Our first priority is beating Android'
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2011-02-14
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Originally Posted by alcalde
Nokia seems to bring a lot more to the table than WP7.
My favorite commentary was ... because ... this calmly listed all the strengths and advantages of Nokia phone hardware and explained all the strengths and advantages of WP7 software (which I wasn't familiar with before).
# Windows Phone 7 is amazingly fast and responsive while also being unique
# Windows Phone 7 is rock solid stable and after using it since July 2010 I can confirm it is the MOST stable mobile operating system I have ever used
# Windows Phone 7 gaming rocks, Zune is fantastic, multiple Exchange support is solid, Office integration is great, and developers are building apps
# Email on Symbian blows, but on Windows Phone 7 it absolutely rocks and I prefer to use my WP7 smartphone for email handling over even my Outlook desktop client
In summary a clueless commentary with no content.
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2011-02-14
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Originally Posted by zwer
..and you can't beat ASM. But whats the point of traveling 55 mph when 45 mph gets you home too. Saving 3 minutes?
On the same hardware - no way. No matter how good VM you build, no matter how optimized its JIT pathways are, you can't beat native execution.
Symbian was written from the ground up for embedded devices whereas Linux was not. Doesn't mean much anymore now.
Of course, they'll conveniently say that the manufacturers should include their optimizations all by themselves if they want to accelerate their UIs, but that is just to mask the original problem - that Android is still just a glorified virtual machine. GPU acceleration hooks should exist in gfx drivers (just like those exist for video acceleration), and then there would be no problem, but that makes writing drivers longer and would require a good revamp of the Dalvik stack which Google seems to put off for years now.
From a practical point of view I don't have tearing on my Android device. I did have tearing on my Nokia N900.
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2011-02-14
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Helsinki Stock Exchange just opened (20mins ago)...and we are going down..haha :| Fck idiots.
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