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	Dave999	2012-05-30 , 05:59
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Cutting R&D is the only way. NOkia can't cover the loses and from a stock perspective and short term its the way to go. Nokia don't have maemo meego and leaving Symbian behind. The R&D at nokia is way to expensive for Nokia's new costume. Add to that the they get the OS from Microsoft and more staff needs to leave. Nokia simply not need that much people since nokia will not be that the big anymore. You can't live in the past when your income and sales generated more money. So from my perspective its the way. Cut hard and fast. And when the company can afford it expand, do it.

	danramos	2012-05-30 , 07:06
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris

Cutting R&D is the only way. NOkia can't cover the loses and from a stock perspective and short term its the way to go. Nokia don't have maemo meego and leaving Symbian behind. The R&D at nokia is way to expensive for Nokia's new costume. Add to that the they get the OS from Microsoft and more staff needs to leave. Nokia simply not need that much people since nokia will not be that the big anymore. You can't live in the past when your income and sales generated more money. So from my perspective its the way. Cut hard and fast. And when the company can afford it expand, do it.

Here's another way--don't undercut your existing products even while you still depend on them.

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SamGan	2012-05-30 , 07:16
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Nokia cutting R&D to survive is like General Motors cutting off its ability to develop new car models and selling rebadged Hyundai to survive. Nokia may survive but as a shadow of its former self selling phones designed by others that it has no control over.

	Dave999	2012-05-30 , 07:42
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Originally Posted by danramos

Here's another way--don't undercut your existing products even while you still depend on them.

So how you u hndle the negative result every Q? How would you handle the value of the company?

You know you can't go on with the costs of all the things you have today??

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	Dared	2012-05-30 , 07:42
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris

Cutting R&D is the only way. NOkia can't cover the loses and from a stock perspective and short term its the way to go. Nokia don't have maemo meego and leaving Symbian behind. The R&D at nokia is way to expensive for Nokia's new costume. Add to that the they get the OS from Microsoft and more staff needs to leave. Nokia simply not need that much people since nokia will not be that the big anymore. You can't live in the past when your income and sales generated more money. So from my perspective its the way. Cut hard and fast. And when the company can afford it expand, do it.

I think you're totally missing the point. Of course, if they don't have their own OS they don't need as much R&D, but that's my point. They aren't using their own OS anymore, so therefore it's going to be harder to innovate - as any innovations they DO develop will need to be written in to WP - but also, because they have cut back on R&D, the innovations will be few and far between

	Dave999	2012-05-30 , 07:49
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Originally Posted by Dared

I think you're totally missing the point. Of course, if they don't have their own OS they don't need as much R&D, but that's my point. They aren't using their own OS anymore, so therefore it's going to be harder to innovate - as any innovations they DO develop will need to be written in to WP - but also, because they have cut back on R&D, the innovations will be few and far between

The decision is already made. Its Windows! Nokia will not run innovation for a few years. Now its back to basics, cuting costs and get the balance in order and eventually the stock prize will slowly grow. When that is done, no matter how small the company is, start from that, and invest in R&D and other areas.

Lumiaman	2012-05-30 , 10:51
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Nokia is not a software company. They can not compete with more competitive companies. They were fine when nobody cared about Taliban phones, but as soon as money was to be made, big boys came in and whipped Nokia and exposed Nokia for what it is not. Nokia is not a software company.

gosh	2012-05-30 , 11:15
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Nokia is not a software company. They can not compete with more competitive companies. They were fine when nobody cared about Taliban phones, but as soon as money was to be made, big boys came in and whipped Nokia and exposed Nokia for what it is not. Nokia is not a software company.

MeeGo Harmattan is open source

	danramos	2012-05-30 , 11:33
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Originally Posted by gosh

MeeGo Harmattan is open source

No. hehe... just. No, it's not. It is truly open-core: lots of open-source, held hostage by lots of closed-source. You really should read some of the various threads where this was already hashed out.

gosh	2012-05-30 , 11:51
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Originally Posted by danramos

No. hehe... just. No, it's not. It is truly open-core: lots of open-source, held hostage by lots of closed-source. You really should read some of the various threads where this was already hashed out.

Do you mean that linux is closed source? MeeGo Harmattan is based on linux. And you can't compare operating systems with applications