Originally Posted by misterc

remember Maemo?
bet you do
well, Maemo was the archetypical proof that open source can only be a commercial failure.
NOKIA's decision not to build in a GSM module until the N900 was very likely a contributing factor to the commercial failure of the Maemo project.
nonetheless, open-source can not be a commercial undertaking. its licensing mostly excludes it, as most open source software come with the requirement to make any changes available as source code.
can't run a profitable business like this.

and don't give me the rubbish of ANDroid being open-source, respectively being profitable; Google gives ANDroid away practically for free and doesn't make money with it but with the advertisement they keep the right to display on any device that runs it
and the companies that license ANDroid making money is not equal to Google making money.

so, Jolla.
not sure what you expect from them, except that they go bankrupt like Maemo / MeeGo did.
if Jolla wants to have even a remote chance to break even, they have to do it differently.
maybe you haven't learned anything from the Maemo / MeeGo experiment, but the ppl @ Jolla (a lot of whom MADE Maemo / MeeGo) did, thankfully.

from your argument with Mike, looks like you are a dreamer...

• Mozilla Foundation profitable? i don't think so
• privately hold, thus they don't have to waste their hard earned $$$$$s on greedy shareholders but can reinvest every cent of it
• the only Linux distro which made a PBO and survived to tell the story is RedHat. and in 2004 they had to create that bastard worthless Fedora to get a better grip on "who runs RedHat software" (can't access the repositories after 30 days trial unless buying a license; that's definitely not open source, sorry)

check your facts, pls
open source is not profitable and can not be run as a commercial public quoted company
period

Originally Posted by thedead1440

Resisting the temptation to close this thread as well as not to delete the off-topic posts on the device announcement thread, a merge and movement to off-topic has been done.

Originally Posted by sillieidiot

so don't ever buy a phone, or any tech for that matter. cause that happens constantly.

Originally Posted by ZogG

Openess is not always open source. again it's about COMMUNICATION and if you saying that Nokia didn't fail on not listening to the customers, who even sent patches to bugs (which were not accepted). where noone knew roadmap, and ended bying something that was dead before born. It's not only Elop. I do remember 3/4 steps and than 4/5 steps and so on It was always just prove of concept. But if company claims to do it right, it's also communication.
P.S. And opensource can bring money, you don't need to open everything, but still to make most parts opensource and to tell community what is going on at least. (Metawatch, Raspeberry Pi and more). As far as i heard Jolla has enuf $$.

Originally Posted by Kangal

Hey I just realized something, Jolla phone is going to suck.

...wait, wait, hear me out...

Remember when the N900 was revealed?
We all thought "man a 500MHz processor, that's dog, a phone with real processing power".

And within 1-1.5 years it was severely obsoleted because we had a 1GHz processing, Dual core, and 1GB of RAM.

Now, I feel like Jolla's going to release something with a Snapdragon.
Particularly the nimble (and blazing) 1.5GHz S4 Dual, with 1/2GB of RAM.
...that's awesome.
But the problem with that is soon we're going to get 2GHz, 64-bit architecture, 4GB of RAM in the near future.

Something like that would probably run desktop grade 'nix without much need of "dumbing down" during a port.

The industry's about to leap to the next-gen, and I feel like we're going to repeat the whole N900/N9/N950 saga again.