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	zwer	2012-05-30 , 18:20
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Originally Posted by qgil

I'm not discussing beliefs, only reminding that Nokia has R&D teams working to make that strategy successful in all fronts.

Yeah, but the sad thing is that R&D is getting gutted each day, and what little of it has left is sent out to the ring to fight with a heavyweight champion while having one arm tied behind its back. How much can they really do when Microsoft dictates most of the shots? I, as many here have stated, don't believe in the `future disruptions` PR bullcrap anymore, don't think I ever did - even if they invest in that heavily, by the time it could bear any fruit Nokia will, sadly, be a goner or so deeply tied with Microsoft that they won't be able to milk on that.

They just can't continue for much longer like this, yet they give no indication of even getting in how deep of a ditch they are in and that they have to change at least something from their blind belief that all is going to be fine. None. For them it's all sun n' roses while Nokia sinks faster than even the skeptic and pessimist in me couldn't have predicted on the fateful Feb'11 day.

Disclaimer: When I say `Nokia` and `they`, I don't mean on honestly working people there, I mean the utterly incompetent and completely vision and tactics deprived managerial staff, so perfectly presented in the short: `Our plan B is for the plan A to work` statement.

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Lumiaman	2012-05-30 , 19:02
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Originally Posted by thedead1440

who here believes Lumiaman when he says he has 3 N9s?
He trolls all the time...never uses a single N9 tweak/mod...talks nonsense about the GPS which works flawlessly regardless of firmware or mods.

How much? I send you a pic with white, black and blue N9. What is the bet hombre? No less than 200 good US greens

	Dave999	2012-05-30 , 19:15
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

How much? I send you a pic with white, black and blue N9. What is the bet hombre? No less than 200 good US greens

I don't believe you.

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switch-hitter	2012-05-30 , 19:45
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

How much? I send you a pic with white, black and blue N9. What is the bet hombre? No less than 200 good US greens

Originally Posted by Dave999

I don't believe you.

I don't believe him either.

His use of English also makes me doubt that he's really American.

mikecomputing	2012-05-30 , 20:03
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

I don't believe him either.

His use of English also makes me doubt that he's really American.

Lumiaman is Elops Son

switch-hitter	2012-05-30 , 20:21
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Originally Posted by qgil

It's nothing else than the Nokia Strategy as explained after feb11: Nokia Windows Phone, Next Billion, Future Disruptions.

How autonomous is NOKIA's feature phone division?

It seems to me if NOKIA is to be saved now this is where it's going to happen.

I rather imagine Elop will artificially limit the functionality of NOKIA's feature phones lest they should embarrass his WP7 phones though, either that or he'll restrict the markets they're available in to developing countries for fear they'd further diminish M$ sales in developed countries.

I'd like to be wrong about that but everything he's done so far makes me believe that's the way it would go down if the feature phone division did come up with something of real interest.

elemental	2012-05-30 , 20:25
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Originally Posted by qgil

I'm not discussing beliefs, only reminding that Nokia has R&D teams working to make that strategy successful in all fronts.

I hope to see Qt5+Linux enabled phones ASAP. I know Qt5 and QtQuick 2.0 is not in mature state yet. But I hope I will get my hands on some fully supported phone (also by CEO) in late summer which has Qt5 on board. If it has Swipe UI too I think I will be with Nokia forever.

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gerbick	2012-05-30 , 21:04
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Originally Posted by gosh

Do you mean that linux is closed source? MeeGo Harmattan is based on linux. And you can't compare operating systems with applications

I'd suggest that you go back and understand what Linux is. It's not an operating system, it's a kernel. It's open source.

Harmattan is an UI on top of that open source kernel. Parts of Harmattan are open source, sourced from parties outside of Nokia. But the browser, the Swipe UI and a few other parts - telephony stack, drivers and other parts - are definitely not open source. There are no downloads for that stuff.

If that's the case, link us to that please.

gerbick	2012-05-30 , 21:10
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

His use of English also makes me doubt that he's really American.

Wait... what have you picked up that I haven't? He seems North American in the least. His love for the Lumia 800 is the only indicator to me that he's likely not American. Those things are rather rare whereas the Lumia 900 isn't.

Zoxir	2012-05-30 , 21:18
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Wait... what have you picked up that I haven't? He seems North American in the least. His love for the Lumia 800 is the only indicator to me that he's likely not American. Those things are rather rare whereas the Lumia 900 isn't.

Plus as was stated above he is Elops son or Elop himself so he is at least Canadian.