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2010-10-27
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I know many ppl are blaming flash for many things, especially for poor performance because every single pixel on your screen is there because of processor. But most of critics will change their mind soon.
For instance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgwi0lWgX8w
Do you know how much processor power required first 10 sec of this video displayed in new flash player?
up to 1%, currently is not even doable in flash to represent this quality even if you will consume 100%.
Do you know how much processor power do you need to scroll down html5 website that using transparency? for sure is not 1%. And this is only about scrolling 2d content down.
Imagine the potential!
EDIT:
What's a day. 25th of October, I've got certificate of my ltd company, new stuff in flash and pr 1.3
, whoooaa!
Last edited by devu; 2010-10-27 at 00:35.
For instance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgwi0lWgX8w
Do you know how much processor power required first 10 sec of this video displayed in new flash player?
up to 1%, currently is not even doable in flash to represent this quality even if you will consume 100%.
Do you know how much processor power do you need to scroll down html5 website that using transparency? for sure is not 1%. And this is only about scrolling 2d content down.
Imagine the potential!
EDIT:
What's a day. 25th of October, I've got certificate of my ltd company, new stuff in flash and pr 1.3
, whoooaa!
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Last edited by devu; 2010-10-27 at 00:35.
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2010-10-27
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Originally Posted by devu
Naw. I blame Flash for making Flash cookies and hidden vectors of attack that a browser can't even prevent in addition to using up more resources on an already miserly mobile device. And let's not forget obnoxious ads on webpages. Not just ads, obnoxious ads.
I know many ppl are blaming flash for many things, especially for poor performance because every single pixel on your screen is there because of processor. But most of critics will change their mind soon.
For instance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgwi0lWgX8w
Do you know how much processor power required first 10 sec of this video displayed in new flash player?
up to 1%, currently is not even doable in flash to represent this quality even if you will consume 100%.
Do you know how much processor power do you need to scroll down html5 website that using transparency? for sure is not 1%. And this is only about scrolling 2d content down.
Imagine the potential!
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2010-10-27
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Apparently I am working in digital add industry and I have to tell you, this is up to us, Flash devs are fighting against that behavior for sure. But every single corporation want to have some cool tracking system and forcing you to use LoadBytes instead Load method. And this is the only weak point when some 3th party company can inject some code that you don't have control on int. Flash cookies are a myth. Nobody is using it because it's relatively easy to block. There is only couple of big players on the market that provide common flash add systems for adds. Non of them are injecting anything, and it's actually good thing. Their also provided AS3 version of their API. The problem is outdated AS2 (5years old) ******** that some of the companies still demand. Full of security holes scripting language. Here is the problem really. That many of flash guys refused to move forward, some companies are just copy paste specs without thinking what the hell is about, and keeping backward compatibility of flash player.
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Trust me I am willing to hear some day from Adobe. We are no longer support as2. Then we could get (ok not fully open source tech) but content secure witch is important for corporations, and free to use for customers with is important for us
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No worries, you can use firebug to trace where and when flash is calling ,also I recommend to install flash on click if you worried about your privacy, and click on content you trust, and I can guarantee you, that my project is not going to put any cookie or track your behavior and the code will be open to review
I think, still more html or js cookies doing more damage that flash ones anyway.
Last edited by devu; 2010-10-27 at 00:56.
EDIT:
Trust me I am willing to hear some day from Adobe. We are no longer support as2. Then we could get (ok not fully open source tech) but content secure witch is important for corporations, and free to use for customers with is important for us
EDIT 2:
No worries, you can use firebug to trace where and when flash is calling ,also I recommend to install flash on click if you worried about your privacy, and click on content you trust, and I can guarantee you, that my project is not going to put any cookie or track your behavior and the code will be open to review
I think, still more html or js cookies doing more damage that flash ones anyway.
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Flaemo - Web based OS for Flash-enabled devices, more info here
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2010-10-27
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Originally Posted by devu
Despite all that, I prefer to avoid the ads which aren't done well and I have a preference for text ads (ala Google's AdSense text ads around searches and such). I tend to block ads which aren't static or text and block entire PROVIDERS if their ads are in Flash or in some programmatic system like plugins or vm's. After tailoring my browser to my needs, it's an incredibly fluid affair rife with data and short on unwanted distractions, cheap tricks and exploits. You might even be surprised to know that I tend to click on relevant (sometimes even irrelevant) text ads intentionally more than relevant obnoxious ads.
Apparently I am working in digital add industry and I have to tell you, this is up to us, Flash devs are fighting against that behavior for sure. But every single corporation want to have some cool tracking system and forcing you to use LoadBytes instead Load method. And this is the only weak point when some 3th party company can inject some code that you don't have control on int. Flash cookies are a myth. Nobody is using it because it's relatively easy to block. There is only couple of big players on the market that provide common flash add systems for adds. Non of them are injecting anything, and it's actually good thing. Their also provided AS3 version of their API. The problem is outdated AS2 (5years old) ******** that some of the companies still demand. Full of security holes scripting language. Here is the problem really. That many of flash guys refused to move forward, some companies are just copy paste specs without thinking what the hell is about, and backward compatibility of flash player.
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2010-10-27
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Originally Posted by danramos
you trust Google's AdSense? Really?
Despite all that, I prefer to avoid the ads which aren't done well and I have a preference for text ads (ala Google's AdSense text ads around searches and such). I tend to block ads which aren't static or text and block entire PROVIDERS if their ads are in Flash or in some programmatic system like plugins or vm's. After tailoring my browser to my needs, it's an incredibly fluid affair rife with data and short on unwanted distractions, cheap tricks and exploits. You might even be surprised to know that I tend to click on relevant (sometimes even irrelevant) text ads intentionally more than relevant obnoxious ads.
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2010-10-27
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Originally Posted by devu
I trust their TEXT ads, I block their cookies.
you trust Google's AdSense? Really?
Besides, are you implying I should trust everything else more?
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2010-10-27
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Originally Posted by danramos
The first rule says, no trust nobody
I trust their TEXT ads, I block their cookies.
, But how to protect yourself is about educate ppl around. Flash has been attacked by ppl against Flash. That's all, But in reality it was always about html, php, asp or js. If I need to get attention away from my dirty behavior I will point my finger to somewhere else. , Just let's find the guy to bit.
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Originally Posted by devu
Pointing out that it's always being attacked by people who are against Flash doesn't instill confidence in using it. These other attacks you're pointing out are far less flawed and are far more often server-side security issues rather than anything than can exploit, infect or otherwise abuse resources on a mobile handset system. To clarify, I'm not saying they can't--but there's an incredibly better chance of such abuse on Flash than with even with an ECMAscript written for browsers to run, given browsers are bugfixed and security fixed far more often than the Flash VM from Adobe.
The first rule says, no trust nobody
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2010-10-27
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Is AS3 not ECMAscript standard? is not Adobe was leading the talks about to bring all the technologies base on it to real standard? unfortunately failed because other companies involved? That's why As4 never happened but was promising for all of us.
I'm not saying Flash is fully secured, Is even harder to track because is binary file harder to track to compare to js, dhtml or server side languages. If I can help you, you should get focus on load binary data into the flash rather than pointing flash cookies because that ones are very easy to kill. Security hole is here and only here. But is still there. But this hole is being used by big corporations, that love tracking systems. And yeas banners or famous corp websites are full of this ****. but if you know the source you know hot to defend yourself.
If you are the geeky user that now every aspect of web security you probably paying attention to that. And if you can get some useful information from flash dev you can turn it to useful stuff. If no, you will get Trojan from very old school java script based outdated Viagra kind script.
Otherwise, ppl that base on assumption and some rumors protecting themselves from every single packed/protocol of data from network should just turn the internet off, if they wish to feel secure because every single internet provider these days exactly what you doing every single day because they have to for security reasons. unfortunately some companies that collecting customers behavior data for commercial purposes are involved and this is far away from our control.
Once again, if somebody is pointing out on some particular technology is showing up misunderstanding of how internet is being controlled and tracked on much low level we can expect. high level tech can only help them out, but we talking here about all of them.
Last edited by devu; 2010-10-27 at 01:51.
I'm not saying Flash is fully secured, Is even harder to track because is binary file harder to track to compare to js, dhtml or server side languages. If I can help you, you should get focus on load binary data into the flash rather than pointing flash cookies because that ones are very easy to kill. Security hole is here and only here. But is still there. But this hole is being used by big corporations, that love tracking systems. And yeas banners or famous corp websites are full of this ****. but if you know the source you know hot to defend yourself.
If you are the geeky user that now every aspect of web security you probably paying attention to that. And if you can get some useful information from flash dev you can turn it to useful stuff. If no, you will get Trojan from very old school java script based outdated Viagra kind script.
Otherwise, ppl that base on assumption and some rumors protecting themselves from every single packed/protocol of data from network should just turn the internet off, if they wish to feel secure because every single internet provider these days exactly what you doing every single day because they have to for security reasons. unfortunately some companies that collecting customers behavior data for commercial purposes are involved and this is far away from our control.
Once again, if somebody is pointing out on some particular technology is showing up misunderstanding of how internet is being controlled and tracked on much low level we can expect. high level tech can only help them out, but we talking here about all of them.
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I personally don't care for and don't want Flash (it doesn't really work for me--preferring HTML5 and all that) but it's still pretty pathetic not to have at least the OPTION of having it supported on your platform after making your marketing materials pitch Flash as a feature. LONG LIVE MEEGO!
Also.. don't forget to drink another shot after every 'LONG LIVE MEEGO!'
Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR