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	Dave999	2012-09-30 , 06:15
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Tizen and jolla must be your choice. Or same underground skunk work pad.

Compiled language will stay for many years. When computer speed and network speed isn't limitations the html5 can be great for platform independent but until th
en its more of a hype.

But if the developer is very skilled, great thinks can be done in html5, just not trying to mimic native application too much. Many examples reaching uncanny valley.

I think too many don't like Html5 becouse of what they seen and not what great developers can do with it.

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Hurrian	2012-09-30 , 07:39
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Originally Posted by Dave999

Compiled language will stay for many years. When computer speed and network speed isn't limitations the html5 can be great for platform independent but until th
en its more of a hype.

But if the developer is very skilled, great thinks can be done in html5, just not trying to mimic native application too much. Many examples reaching uncanny valley.

This. It's actually possible to make a fully functional, well designed app in HTML5+CSS3+crazy JS libraries.

However, your limiting factor is performance. Interpreting HTML, CSS and any number of JS libraries takes a lot of time on a mobile device. There simply isn't enough horsepower to magically make them smooth and responsive as butter.

See: Facebook's HTML5-based app.

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shmerl	2012-09-30 , 15:56
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Not every type of application is reasonable to make in JavaScript. Try to make a browser in it with JIT compiler for JavaScript itself

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lma	2012-09-30 , 16:59
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Originally Posted by Hurrian

There simply isn't enough horsepower to magically make them smooth and responsive as butter.

I have to ask: how responsive exactly is butter? ;-)

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Fuzzillogic	2012-09-30 , 17:08
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Originally Posted by Dave999

Tizen and jolla must be your choice. Or same underground skunk work pad.

Compiled language will stay for many years. When computer speed and network speed isn't limitations the html5 can be great for platform independent but until then its more of a hype.

No, even with plenty of processing power and network speed HTML5 would still suck for writing applications. Its only advantage is that it looks like it's more platform independent than the rest, but even at the best of times that's not an easy, straightforward and consistent path.

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	fw190	2012-09-30 , 18:13
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Originally Posted by lma

I have to ask: how responsive exactly is butter? ;-)

Depends of the butter temprrature

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	Dave999	2012-09-30 , 19:26
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What most seems to forget is that you still almost always have other ways to create applications. Don't really understand why everyone must attack html5 all the time, if you don't like it just don't code html and js and stuff and leave that to the devs that like it.

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lma	2012-09-30 , 19:42
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Originally Posted by fw190

Depends of the butter temprrature

Ah, of course, that's why overclocking makes it more responsive!

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Fuzzillogic	2012-09-30 , 20:04
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Originally Posted by Dave999

What most seems to forget is that you still almost always have other ways to create applications. Don't really understand why everyone must attack html5 all the time, if you don't like it just don't code html and js and stuff and leave that to the devs that like it.

The "problem" is that Jolla seems quite positive about HTML5, and I'm afraid they will actively promote it over better alternatives which leads to a real problem: mediocre apps.

I'm also afraid many developers simply lack the knowledge to make an well-considered decision to use HTML5 - they simply use what they know and even think it's always the best choice, because of the hype.

Indeed, better a HTML5 app than no app, But but with 10+ years of webtech-experience I can't help to be disappointed by it, seeing the slow pace, wrong turns and general amateur appearance of the platform. I think it's a good idea to show that not everybody thinks HTML5 is all heavenly bliss and The One Tool For Everything. So I know, I'm overreacting again and again, but I simply can't find a lot of good in HTML5 for apps, so everytime someone mentions it as if it was, it makes me sad.

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	Dave999	2012-09-30 , 20:06
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