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gerbick	2012-06-18 , 22:50
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Originally Posted by Dave999

Firstly, nothing comes for free. And what happens if the milk expires Andy you have to go in and fix stuff like the milkmachine or the cow don't act like you want?

I fear that you don't quite get that colloquialism perhaps. It's often stated when men and women live together and the man benefits from the woman as if she's already his wife, he's yet to make her his wife yet.

She cooks, she cleans, she loves him. He benefits yet doesn't have to make that final commitment.

In this case... Nokia builds new applications, they manufacturer new hardware, they even advertise on behalf of WP7 in countries that don't care about WP7 in the least bit. Nokia licenses WP7 from Microsoft for each phone sold and all Microsoft had to do was give them some money and no real commitment beyond that.

Why pay for the milk when they get the cow for free - that's the whole statement more or less.

Nothing's for truly free, I agree. But just like the man, Microsoft is enjoying Nokia for next to nothing right now... no real commitment that doesn't benefit Microsoft.

	Dave999	2012-06-18 , 23:11
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Oh thx. I thought we were talking milk.

But you can't be sure what the deal is. We might not know the whole story. We don't have the signed contract and audio files from the negotiations behind closed doors?

Microsoft Corporation could have a deal to buy nokia for a fixed price with the board and all major share holders(not likely). There could also be that Nokia needs more money to survive and ms must buy nokia for almost the same amount.

EDIT: BALLMER just showed a Microsoft tablet called surface. Why do they need nokia?
http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-l...-announcement/

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olighak	2012-06-18 , 23:36
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Microsoft just announced their own Windows 8 tablet. Nokia gets a slap in the face, and would have to compete with their "partner" Microsoft if they were going to make a Nokia tablet.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/m...ement-livelog/

	zwer	2012-06-18 , 23:47
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Microsoft going behind the back of their partners? Imposibiru!

Watch Nokia stock lose what little has it gained after the massive drop last week...

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	Dave999	2012-06-18 , 23:56
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I'm not sure if this was expected by the market or not. But it was a certenly not the best guarded secret since microsoft was sending out invitations. It could also be seen as a strength for the Windows ecosystem and push nokia. Let's see.

http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en/us/default.aspx

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gerbick	2012-06-19 , 00:04
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Originally Posted by Dave999

BALLMER just showed a Microsoft tablet called surface. Why do they need nokia?

They don't need Nokia. Problem is, Nokia need Microsoft now.

Cue	2012-06-19 , 01:42
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Originally Posted by gerbick

They don't need Nokia. Problem is, Nokia need Microsoft now.

I beg to differ. MS need Nokia, otherwise Windows Phone would be even more weak/dead than it already is. No other OEM cares for WP as much as Nokia blindly does. I would even go as far as to say Nokia doesn't benefit as much from the partnership as MS does.

gerbick	2012-06-19 , 02:30
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Originally Posted by Cue

I beg to differ. MS need Nokia, otherwise Windows Phone would be even more weak/dead than it already is. No other OEM cares for WP as much as Nokia blindly does. I would even go as far as to say Nokia doesn't benefit as much from the partnership as MS does.

Microsoft just announced their own tablet today. Intel was there in the announcement as well. But where was Nokia?

Placing a GSM radio into one is just one part order away. They can more than likely make their own handset if they decided to, if they already haven't.

Needless to say, past Microsoft strategic mobile partners would probably have something to say about how well they were treated by Microsoft.

Nokia has gone full into WP7 and perhaps WP8. Let's see if this benefits them in the far future, so far it hasn't at all recently.

Cue	2012-06-19 , 03:21
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Microsoft just announced their own tablet today. Intel was there in the announcement as well. But where was Nokia?

Placing a GSM radio into one is just one part order away. They can more than likely make their own handset if they decided to, if they already haven't.

Needless to say, past Microsoft strategic mobile partners would probably have something to say about how well they were treated by Microsoft.

Nokia has gone full into WP7 and perhaps WP8. Let's see if this benefits them in the far future, so far it hasn't at all recently.

GSM is not just an order away. Do you honestly believe that? Though they can release their own phone with help, in fact they have already, it was called the KIN (That thing which they do a great job of hiding, pretending it didn't exist as part of their hardware line). They did so with the help of Sharp. I'm sure I don't need to tell you it failed. If they actually thought they were on to a winner with their own phone hardware they would have continued dumping money on it.

Without Nokia they would need to license a whole host of standard essential patents related to wireless communication standards, as well as pay for Navteq maps (which they currently do anyway).
Why do that when you can get Nokia to make your phones almost exclusively and pay you for a WP license too? Recouping some of that loss yet dictating what they can make. Seeing as their strategy now also includes low-end WP in a bid for market share (the race to the bottom which Nokia initially said it wanted to avoid) it would make sense. I guess they are fed up of paying studios to bring their apps to WP low install base.

Nokia were stupid/brave enough to take all the risk and gain very little from it. I don't know that many more phone manufacturers that would be willing to back WP like Nokia. So I think MS need Nokia now, though I'm sure that if it does fail like it seems to be then MS will try alternative agreements with other companies promising billions in transactions. That by no means is guaranteed.

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gerbick	2012-06-19 , 05:48
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Originally Posted by Cue

GSM is not just an order away. Do you honestly believe that?

Yes. I do believe that. Do you believe that they would not have already thought about GSM in their tablets to compete with the other GSM enabled tablets?

Didn't stop Samsung. Didn't stop Motorola. I'm quite sure that Microsoft might have thought about it too...

Though they can release their own phone with help, in fact they have already, it was called the KIN (That thing which they do a great job of hiding, pretending it didn't exist as part of their hardware line). They did so with the help of Sharp.

And Sharp was brought to the table by that small company they purchased, Danger. They've had enough deals/dealings with hardware that they honestly could (by now) create their own handset.

I mean... they just created/produced their own tablet.

I'm sure I don't need to tell you it failed. If they actually thought they were on to a winner with their own phone hardware they would have continued dumping money on it.

Internal politics were deadly around KIN and Courier. Sucks, honestly. Both could have been contenders for this North American market.

Without Nokia they would need to license a whole host of standard essential patents related to wireless communication standards, as well as pay for Navteq maps (which they currently do anyway).

Licensing is cheaper than buying them... unless the company that holds the patents is in trouble or a strategic partner.

Why do that when you can get Nokia to make your phones almost exclusively and pay you for a WP license too?

Because they've outlived their usefulness. Ballmer is a right bastard and dealing with him, the deal with the Devil is probably a kinder deal.

Nokia were stupid/brave enough to take all the risk and gain very little from it.

Exactly. And Microsoft has shown they can do hardware now...

I don't know that many more phone manufacturers that would be willing to back WP like Nokia. So I think MS need Nokia now, though I'm sure that if it does fail like it seems to be then MS will try alternative agreements with other companies promising billions in transactions. That by no means is guaranteed.

If they made their own tablet, they might do their own phone. That's my point.

Makes for good speculation though, doesn't it?