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	danramos	2012-06-19 , 06:12
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Originally Posted by Dave999

BALLMER just showed a Microsoft tablet called surface. Why do they need nokia?
http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-l...-announcement/

Better question, why do they need Dell, HP, Acer, etc.? Better still, why does Dell, HP, Acer, etc. need Microsoft now?

Originally Posted by Dave999

I'm not sure if this was expected by the market or not. But it was a certenly not the best guarded secret since microsoft was sending out invitations. It could also be seen as a strength for the Windows ecosystem and push nokia. Let's see.

http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en/us/default.aspx

What? How can you NOT expect yet another Microsoft attempt at a tablet PC? How many bets on this one ending up as vaporware also?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...soft_Tablet_PC

Originally Posted by gerbick

Internal politics were deadly around KIN and Courier. Sucks, honestly. Both could have been contenders for this North American market.

I can still remember staring at a married couple across the counter in the Verizon store the day my brother and I purchased our Motorola Droids a little over two years ago. I remember giggling a little with my brother that they were purchasing a couple of Microsoft Kin. Little did I know that I should have been bursting out in laughter instead. I'm sure they saw me, anyway. I have to wonder what those two now think about those phones that they bought with a 2-year contract and just what kind of taste they have in their mouth for any phones based on Microsoft. Do you think they'll bet on Microsoft again?

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	danramos	2012-06-19 , 06:20
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Originally Posted by mbo

The Nokia torture

True...

Wow... this portion of the article fits PRECISELY with my recent comments to Qgil in response to his ridiculously optimistic statements for which I had questions:

"Nokia's management is worried, it shows in little signs such as the length of precautions taken in what is known as forward-looking statements. These consist in lawyerly language telling us everything we have heard or read could be nullified by a number of changes in the weather, the price of pork bellies or crop failures."

Cue	2012-06-19 , 07:14
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Yes. I do believe that. Do you believe that they would not have already thought about GSM in their tablets to compete with the other GSM enabled tablets?

No doubt they would have thought about it. They may even include it. doesn't make me believe they can compete in the handset market. I don't think it's as simple as just ordering a GSM radio and shrinking your tablet, they would need to pay for patented features that apply to handsets in particular, they would need to have carrier backing. I mean the difference between a iPad with and without cellular is £100.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Didn't stop Samsung. Didn't stop Motorola. I'm quite sure that Microsoft might have thought about it too...

Samsung and Motorola are well established phone manufacturers. Motorola being one of the first few around. They have a large hardware patent portfolio around mobiles. MS did more than just think about entering the phone market, they tried and failed. I see no reason why trying again with the same strategy would be different. Unless you can tell me what exactly caused them to fail and what will make them succeed if they try again now.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Internal politics were deadly around KIN and Courier. Sucks, honestly. Both could have been contenders for this North American market.

If by internal politics you mean business then I agree. MS struggled entering a well established market because they had no real market leverage or expertise.

Licensing is cheaper than buying them... unless the company that holds the patents is in trouble or a strategic partner.

haha, that's true.
What is even cheaper (and what they have done) is to sell their software to Nokia for a price, dictate what Nokia make with a set of strict hardware specifications, get the immediate patents, market presence, carrier backing of Nokia. In comparison to making a phone themselves, paying Nokia and countless others for licensing patents, building a new phone brand from scratch, trying to convince carriers with little to no telecommunications presence/force/expertise, and hiring a workforce to do it all. They've already bought Nokia without paying the price, they don't need to formalize it.

Because they've outlived their usefulness. Ballmer is a right bastard and dealing with him, the deal with the Devil is probably a kinder deal.

Are you suggesting WP is like Malaria? Ballmer the mosquito?
That's an interesting strategy.

Exactly. And Microsoft has shown they can do hardware now...

If they made their own tablet, they might do their own phone. That's my point.

Makes for good speculation though, doesn't it?

Sure does.

They might, but I still believe they would struggle without an already well established handset manufacturer such as Nokia. By Nokia I mean either the independent mobile manufacturer or the subsidiary of MS formerly known as Nokia.

Last edited by Cue; 2012-06-19 at 07:28.

	zwer	2012-06-19 , 07:30
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Well, speaking of stocks, OMX just opened, and from the looks of it - it's going down... Quite a number of stocks sold early on, and others will do it promptly as well dragging the price even lower.

Let's see how the market will judge this 'Microsoft is actually helping Nokia through strengthening the ecosystem by releasing their own tablet range' mantra that apologists were uttering since yesterday.

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	danramos	2012-06-19 , 08:03
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Originally Posted by Cue

I still believe they would struggle without an already well established handset manufacturer such as Nokia. By Nokia I mean either the independent mobile manufacturer or the subsidiary of MS formerly known as Nokia.

Didn't Microsoft already sell their mobile handset operating systems over the years to other well-established smartphone makers like Palm (like their Treo Windows phones), HP/Compaq (i.e.Jornada/iPAQ), UTStarcom (Thera/PPC), HTC (HTC7 series), and LG and Samsung. At one point they even made their own short-lived handsets a couple of years ago, Microsoft's own Kin! To say MS isn't already established, given they've had all this time, even in hardware manufacturing, seems a little funny to me.

I'm not sure how much more well-established they need to be when Apple, Google and even Symbian took off comparatively faster than Microsoft's foray into mobile. FAR faster.

Cue	2012-06-19 , 08:20
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Originally Posted by danramos

Didn't Microsoft already sell their mobile handset operating systems over the years to other well-established smartphone makers like Palm (like their Treo Windows phones), HP/Compaq (i.e.Jornada/iPAQ), UTStarcom (Thera/PPC), HTC (HTC7 series), and LG and Samsung. At one point they even made their own short-lived handsets a couple of years ago, Microsoft's own Kin! To say MS isn't already established, given they've had all this time, even in hardware manufacturing, seems a little funny to me.

I'm not sure how much more well-established they need to be when Apple, Google and even Symbian took off comparatively faster than Microsoft's foray into mobile. FAR faster.

In software I agree, we were discussing why they failed when they decided to get into phone hardware with the KIN. MS don't have much expertise in it and they don't have the same relationship with carriers that most established handset manufacturers have. Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola, etc have a well established relationship with carriers, they even provide the infrastructure for their networks. When the public is showing no interest in MS hardware there is little reason for the carrier to continue. Nokia as a well established manufacturer can at least get your software through the carriers.

	Dave999	2012-06-19 , 08:34
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Great day to be nokia share owner. I'm no longer in for the money but for a chance to vote Stephan "burning platform" Elop out of office. (and the money in a very very very long term

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	danramos	2012-06-19 , 09:34
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris

Great day to be nokia share owner. I'm no longer in for the money but for a chance to vote Stephan "burning platform" Elop out of office. (and the money in a very very very long term )

Are shareholders voting soon?

	Dave999	2012-06-19 , 09:49
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No, plus the majority share holders blocking my way. The could make elop leave or force a vote.

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I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...

	Dave999	2012-06-19 , 09:52
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