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2009-10-23
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Ok, looks like Ari has admitted that the delay was his fault:
http://tinyurl.com/ykqeo4v
http://tinyurl.com/ykqeo4v
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2009-10-23
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
afaik guys on summit received final hardware - at least that's what i read somewhere.. and fixing hardware once the assembly line is complete could be a non-trivial task ... I think that unless the bug would cause exploding devices, it'd be worked-around by software - at least this is what even cpu/chipset producers do...
1) How do you know what exactly is and isn't being fixed? It might be hardware-related fixes.
Originally Posted by allnameswereout
If they didn't rush things and gave it another month, adding a self-contained device (like the compass) on i2c bus is, imho, very doable.. Instead they announced n900 almost 2 months ago (after a year of development), and still there is not a single piece shipped to distributors (but obviously they assembled many pieces already - at least for devs and testers around the world)..
2) Do you believe in magick? In such a short time, adding new hardware features which require proper testing is not the smartest thing to do. They require a lot more time!
Originally Posted by allnameswereout
yes. All what I wanted to say is that nokia could've spared people 3 months of waiting (since announcement), develop nicer hw and announced it 1 week before availability / with exact date (like with iphone and g1, i think)... in a ideal world that is..
The latter is about the same as the statement you quote, and is definately not mutually exclusive with your quote.
Last edited by andree; 2009-10-23 at 19:46.
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2009-10-23
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Originally Posted by Reggie
...but he doesn't say why :-)
Ok, looks like Ari has admitted that the delay was his fault:
http://tinyurl.com/ykqeo4v
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2009-10-23
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Originally Posted by volt
I'm throwing a Fit right now!
Then you must have limited team work experience.I see it all the time.
YouTube at 11!
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2009-10-23
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Originally Posted by Reggie
I call that taking responsibility. I sincerely doubt it's "all his fault" but that's a class way of accepting where the buck stops. You know what? I mind a lot less now. Think he'd share the AR while we wait?
Ok, looks like Ari has admitted that the delay was his fault:
http://tinyurl.com/ykqeo4v
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2009-10-23
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Originally Posted by Reggie
Does it sound to anyone else that Nokia may be starting to concentrate on Maemo 6, at the expense of the N900 and Freemantle?
Ok, looks like Ari has admitted that the delay was his fault:
http://tinyurl.com/ykqeo4v
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2009-10-23
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Originally Posted by w00t
Of course, I've read enough already to know that regular users are expecting an iphone-killer, instead of a linux-kill'em'all-for-developers phone.. Because of this, I think that both things are important to n900 - in all previews I read so far, the most important thing to mention was xvid replay, widgets, smooth transitions, nice GUI. Not linux kernel, not debian, not open source, not very nice system architecture... This ain't the ideal universe for geeks, I guess
Bugs and eyecandy are two totally different things. Would *you* be interested in a device that doesn't work? I know that a lot of people really wouldn't be interested.
Originally Posted by w00t
I'd very like to spend hours reading forums, I do read many threads in this one - but.. Sadly I don't have that much time, wish i had - thanks for info...
I know you're probably not such an ardent forums reader based on this post, but I am. The real situation (as reported by Peter earlier in this thread IIRC) is pretty much what that said: issues (and feedback) has been given from the people with N900s now, and is being addressed before release for obvious reasons.
Originally Posted by w00t
yep, and without some visualisation (e.g. opened+critical vs. closed bugs graphs) it's hardly helpful to predict the finalization date
bugs.maemo.org, as far as I know, is the place to go. Knock yourself out.
All of this could've been arange by nokia, once they commited to openness...
Originally Posted by w00t
It's too late for that already anyway... n900 will be probably "complete" in a weeks in one way or another.. we could just have been spared these last 2 months, and reading of 1000 posts long thread(s) about device shipment (which I stopped following after a few posts, thankfully)... that's all..
Giving a timeframe probably won't happen, in case they can't meet it. Obviously, that's just going to make more people annoyed. For the relevant open components, viewing changelogs may well be possible
without some summarization (like done with e.g. linux kernel or KDE releases), changelogs for individual subprojects are also not too helpful...
Originally Posted by w00t
unrealistic - yes. Low knowledge - probably, but not unlike a lot of people in already mentioned "shipping threads" .)
Arguably, your expectations of a perfect company are a tad unrealistic, and your knowledge of what's going on isn't quite the best either, though I'm not disagreeing that some of the logistics of this seem a bit shaky, but I'm not overly surprised at that either. The N900 launch is being done rather differently to any other device launch I've seen.
As a many-many-years-linux-using guy, I'm very much into helping spread maemo (I've even started moving my pretty-widely-used project from winmobile to qt), but I really can't spend many hours daily searching for new forums, mailinglists, bugzilla reports etc. I respect you for your commitment because you can.
What I would is a blog, like dog.kde.org.. Now there are many blogs, and for a maemo-new-comer, it's pretty hard to 1) find them, 2) know, which of the owners are real nokia-developers/credible writers, and which are fanboys.. Oh, I'm getting offtopic, stop.
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2009-10-23
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what in devils name are you guys saying. Nokia's website says END OF OCTOBER 2009.
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2009-10-23
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Originally Posted by andree
It is and it isn't. We want mainstream exposure, but at the same time, we don't - I think.
Of course, I've read enough already to know that regular users are expecting an iphone-killer, instead of a linux-kill'em'all-for-developers phone.. Because of this, I think that both things are important to n900 - in all previews I read so far, the most important thing to mention was xvid replay, widgets, smooth transitions, nice GUI. Not linux kernel, not debian, not open source, not very nice system architecture... This ain't the ideal universe for geeks, I guess
Personally I think wider exposure can only be a good thing. It'll result in a more polished end-product. Being able to hack at it is great, but I'd rather not have to hack at it to make it functional in the first place when I'm spending so much on it
Originally Posted by andree
Perhaps I came across a bit harsh, and if I did, sorry. I've become very addicted to Maemo as a whole (let's not even start on the N900), so I'm a fairly addicted visitor/reader/poster on here now.
I'd very like to spend hours reading forums, I do read many threads in this one - but.. Sadly I don't have that much time, wish i had - thanks for info...
Originally Posted by andree
Again - I probably came across a bit overly critical here. My point is that this *is* a learning process for everyone involved in it, and I don't think there's any bad faith on Nokia's part here, even if there are things that could have been done better. It's all something that can be kept in mind for the future.
yep, and without some visualisation (e.g. opened+critical vs. closed bugs graphs) it's hardly helpful to predict the finalization date
Originally Posted by andree
You're one of the lucky ones. I've become obsessed, and am currently spending far too many hours drooling over these forums, and this device.
It's too late for that already anyway... n900 will be probably "complete" in a weeks in one way or another.. we could just have been spared these last 2 months, and reading of 1000 posts long thread(s) about device shipment (which I stopped following after a few posts, thankfully)... that's all..
Originally Posted by andree
Depends what you want, I guess. If you're looking for specific information, it'd work, and at this stage of the game, I'd hope that it's quite a small number of changes anyway...
without some summarization (like done with e.g. linux kernel or KDE releases), changelogs for individual subprojects are also not too helpful...
I do hope that summaries of updates will happen once the devices are out there for subsequent sw updates.
Originally Posted by andree
That's great, I'm a big fan of Qt. :-)
As a many-many-years-linux-using guy, I'm very much into helping spread maemo (I've even started moving my pretty-widely-used project from winmobile to qt)
Originally Posted by andree
I want my device and I want it YESTERDAY. But I'm willing to wait until it's great, and just drool about it obsessively in the meantime
I really can't spend many hours daily searching for new forums, mailinglists, bugzilla reports etc. I respect you for your commitment because you can.
Originally Posted by andree
A planet.maemo.org might not be such a bad idea, though I think that sort of stuff is already in 'news', it just doesn't seem to be too widely used... Might be something to start a Brainstorm on?
What I would is a blog, like dog.kde.org.. Now there are many blogs, and for a maemo-new-comer, it's pretty hard to 1) find them, 2) know, which of the owners are real nokia-developers/credible writers, and which are fanboys.. Oh, I'm getting offtopic, stop.
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