Originally Posted by lma

Ok, let me rephrase pending verification or refutal: remote install may already be there. Though I find the lack of official response disturbing, something for the council to take up with Nokia perhaps?

You know, I wouldn't have believed this for a second either before the cherry thing came to light. Trust is a very precious thing and quite hard to repair once damaged...

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles

Open is about more than code, it's about governance, philosophy, core values, hardware, carrier lock-ins, who the manufacturer is pandering to, etc., etc.

So, no Android isn't even close to Maemo.

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles

It is. By far. It's the only one you don't have to jump through hoops to root and keep rooted. That says a lot.

Originally Posted by fpp

For me, much as I dislike this MyNokia debacle, it is more a matter of form than function, and doesn't compare with the "kill switch" (and potential remote install) as found in Android and i(Phone)OS.

I wouldn't accept that on my Pcs, and not on my mobile devices either

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles

Oh, we're stooping to unsubstantiated hearsay here now?

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Originally Posted by danramos

Good God, man! I'll repeat it again: The basis of OPEN-SOURCE is the SOURCE code being OPEN to anyone. There's no open-source just because you SAY you're so very open in every OTHER way.

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles

It's a large part of it, sure, but it's definitely not the only part, and the world isn't as black and white as you seem to think it is.

Originally Posted by YoDude

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