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#161
This is one of two big peeves of mine with gpodder. I tend to prefer concentrating on the benefits I get out of the app, but there have been these two big problems I keep running into for a long time now:

1:
I have 14 feeds (would be 15, but I can't add one of them in the 0.13.0-maemo1 I have installed.. sigh) and if I have to download more than 10 podcasts after an update, the tablet completely slugs along.. and will almost definitely reboot all by itself (probably thinking that there has been a crash); guaranteed to happen if I have 12 or more podcasts to download. So I've experienced this as well. It's usually not a problem but it does happen and drives me nuts. heh.. I keep expecting it's part of some threading or memory issue (or both, maybe the system memory management, which I expect is a high priority system level process, is getting thrashed about so badly that all other processes have to halt and wait for it to arrange things.. then a system watchdog sees all the processes sitting there and figured there's been a crash or something and reboots to bring back the system).

2:
Playlists! There are none. I can't just highlight a bunch of podcasts, even in the same show--if I'm trying to catch up on a show, and then just tell it to play them all. It seems sort of annoying to dangerous to pay so much attention to gpodder while driving. (Some of my podcasts are short, like the hourly CNN podcasts, which last about 5 minutes each... it would be nice to queue up the last 6 podcasts from that feed to listen for my drive to work.)

There's a third new peeve that I've discovered recently:
3:
When you save podcasts, you get asked where to save them.. one.. by one. Each and every one of the podcasts you highlight produces a dialog which asks for the path. It would be better to ask the first time and save them all there, if you've highlighted a bunch. It doesn't even at least REMEMBER the last path you selected so you have to repeatedly navigate to a folder you're trying to save to. This has been my only other workaround to queuing up a bunch of podcasts for a trip, since I can't set up a playlist in gpodder (see peeve #2, above).

I expect this stuff can be dealt with.. but I haven't had the time to work on a lot of things lately (barely even get to visit ITT anymore lately, work on my podcast again, etc.) much less take time to help out.. so I can't really 'scratch my own itch' to fix this and take the time to learn Python and participate--which would ultimately be the best solution for all involved, I think.

In the meantime, I'd hobbled along looking forward to each new release and hoping I can throw some donations at it, at least, when I can spare some money again. I think it's an excellent app for the N800 but I'd rather not see it depend on a web site to offload processing... a little too 'cloud computing' for me. I would prefer to avoid that.. and it would seem to defeat the whole purpose of RSS anyway.

Anyway.. Kudos on the project and my apologies for ranting. I seem pretty good at ranting.
 
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#162
Originally Posted by onion_cfe View Post
This did cross my mind yesterday also. I'd definitely try such a service for convenience, but it'd be a bit of a shame to create a single point of failure in something that's otherwise fairly distributed. Syncing with another linux box doesn't really achieve what i'd like as you suspected, since my whole goal is that the tablet does everything. I am playing with the desktop version too though to get a feel for it's speed. Even that sat on the 850 item feed for a few minutes, so I think a lot of this is harsh reality on the imperfections of RSS rather than differences in processing speeds, of course not discounting that entirely.
850 item feed? Man, what kind of messed up feeds are you using? Just kidding. People should get their feeds straight, that's one of the problems. If all feeds were perfect, gPodder would not have to do so much error checking that it currently does.

I definitely like the look and feel of the application. Ironically when I first tried to use it in verbose mode I missed off the maemo flag and launched it with the normal interface and thought it fitted quite well. If there's one thing I dislike about maemo it's the single menu interface which tends to translate to 3 clicks to do anything, though I suppose some of the changes do lend themselves to extra space for the actual content etc.
It's a pity that so much space is wasted around the window. You can see this especially good in the browser when browsing to a non-white background website. it's a Maemo UI problem, really. Maybe this gets fixed in Fremantle

- As above, I think i'd like the application a lot with a web aided service, although I wish there was another way. I wonder if maybe a compromise might be a small RPC style service to take a feed, order and/or shorten it, then return it to the application which could process it more quickly, now being able to make some assumptions. Then of course, the fall back to the service being unavailable could be the original method, so it would continue to work. That might not be as lightning fast as having a remote server do all the work, but it might create less of a dependency. The alternative seems to be something updating feeds on server, on a schedule, similar to Google Reader. I'd imagine that would be fastest, but be a huge dependency and be more complicated to code.
That is planned. Currently lacking resources. my.gpodder.org just started out. Podcast list up- and downloading already works.

- The database stuff (displaying episode lists) has a little lag too although I suspect you've got that as tight as you're going to get it in an interpreted language. That's perfectly bearable and doesn't seem much slower on the larger stored feeds. No slower than Video Center's similar functionality.
This "feels" a bit faster in 0.14.0. Please try it!

- The parsing speed on a morning where only 3 feeds had changed was quite bearable. It's when a lot of people push out content at the same time the time gets harder to take. 5-15 minutes seems to be the range for my now 19 feeds, although this gets done in the hazy first 30 minutes after having woken up so I may be distorting time in my mind
Maybe an optimized feed parser based on SAX that does not do the expensive feed fixing that feedparser does might help here. Lacking resources/interest.

- This morning I let it launch into 5 downloads at once. The interface didn't move again until three of the files had fully downloaded, then I saw the final two progress together. I will try configuring it to do 2 at a time tomorrow as I've only just noticed it's an option. It feels more like the downloads are maxing the processor out rather than the connection. Does it/can it yield at all during downloads?
Please file this as a bug at http://bugs.gpodder.org/ We definitely have to look into this.

- I am having trouble adding a feed. It failed to add from the OPML (the only one as far as I can see) and now it won't let me add it from the interface. It seems fine in the desktop version. The only thing I can think of is that the domain has a hyphen - it's http://www.manager-tools.com/feed. No other URLs in my list contain a hyphen.
Should be fixed in 0.14.0.

- A startup page might be preferable to the top feed in the list being fully displayed. From what I can see this would give the user access to the interface a little more quickly. When in verbose it looked like most of the startup time is spent loading that feed. After a few days I realise i'm barely noticing this delay. Video Center by comparison takes ages to start up, although it didn't in older versions.

- Another thing I like about Video Center is the little list of recent downloads. Again, from a speed point of view, if there was a way to list the four files I'd just downloaded in one view and hit play, it would feel faster than having to display the feed to get to the downloaded episode. Do they need to disappear from the Downloads window as soon as they're downloaded?
Please file these things as feature requests on http://bugs.gpodder.org/ but please also see if some of these don't already exist. If they so, please post a follow-up comment and subscribe yourself to that bug/vote for it.
 
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#163
Originally Posted by danramos View Post
I have 14 feeds (would be 15, but I can't add one of them in the 0.13.0-maemo1 I have installed.. sigh)
Adding that feed should be possible in 0.14.0, now available in Maemo Extras.

and if I have to download more than 10 podcasts after an update, the tablet completely slugs along.. and will almost definitely reboot all by itself (probably thinking that there has been a crash); guaranteed to happen if I have 12 or more podcasts to download.
Please check if this still happens in 0.14.0. If it does, please file a bug with reproduction instructions over at http://bugs.gpodder.org/

Playlists! There are none. I can't just highlight a bunch of podcasts, even in the same show--if I'm trying to catch up on a show, and then just tell it to play them all. It seems sort of annoying to dangerous to pay so much attention to gpodder while driving. (Some of my podcasts are short, like the hourly CNN podcasts, which last about 5 minutes each... it would be nice to queue up the last 6 podcasts from that feed to listen for my drive to work.)
gPodder is the wrong place for this. This should (and will!) be implemented in Panucci most likely. Lacking time, interest and resources at the moment.

When you save podcasts, you get asked where to save them.. one.. by one. Each and every one of the podcasts you highlight produces a dialog which asks for the path. It would be better to ask the first time and save them all there, if you've highlighted a bunch. It doesn't even at least REMEMBER the last path you selected so you have to repeatedly navigate to a folder you're trying to save to. This has been my only other workaround to queuing up a bunch of podcasts for a trip, since I can't set up a playlist in gpodder (see peeve #2, above).
I've noticed this too a few weeks ago. gPodder 0.14.0 now remembers the last path that you selected for saving (only remembers it during the session, not after you have closed down gPodder).

I expect this stuff can be dealt with.. but I haven't had the time to work on a lot of things lately (barely even get to visit ITT anymore lately, work on my podcast again, etc.) much less take time to help out.. so I can't really 'scratch my own itch' to fix this and take the time to learn Python and participate--which would ultimately be the best solution for all involved, I think.
It's not just about learning Python (although that too would be great). Testing, giving hints on where the UI is bad or slow (specific hints like "when I play an episode, the episode list reloads - is this really necessary?", not like "ugh! it's so slow! fix it!") is also very, very important.

By the way: What happened to your podcast?

In the meantime, I'd hobbled along looking forward to each new release and hoping I can throw some donations at it, at least, when I can spare some money again. I think it's an excellent app for the N800 but I'd rather not see it depend on a web site to offload processing... a little too 'cloud computing' for me. I would prefer to avoid that.. and it would seem to defeat the whole purpose of RSS anyway.
Yep, if we implement some web service, it will be open source (so anybody can install it on their server as well) and gPodder will always function without that web service. Donations and contributions, bug reports, etc.. are highly appreciated But most of all, have fun, take a coffee break and give your spouse a kiss every time gPodder updates its feed. That's the real reason why there is some unnecessary delay when updating feeds. To make users socialize a bit more.

Nah.. just kidding. It's just plain slow. You can still use that time to do something social or useful Enjoy!
 
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#164
And now just for a small non-reply post: gPodder 0.14.0 is out! With better UI feedback, so it does not look so freezingly freezing and you know what it's doing.

Release announcement on http://gpodder.org/news

Should be in Maemo Extras already (or in some hours). Enjoy!
 

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Thanks! ...and of course, moments after posting my last message, I immediately had imagined the ghostly visage of an iconic software developer virtually slapping me in the face to tell me to file those peeves off as bugs. I need to keep reminding myself that that's what the bug tracking/feature request site is for.

By the by, congrats on your interview on Linux Outlaws. It's one of the podcasts I listen to anyway so it was kind of neat! Thanks for joining up with them for the interview and for mentioning the maemo platform in there too. Responding to your RSS feed comment about your accent: from an American listener perspective, I believe your Austrian accent wasn't difficult to understand at all and your English seemed fine to me. I didn't sense any difficulty despite the hint that it might be difficult to understand.

As for my podcast, I've put a pause on it for the moment but it will be back after some work and planning. (I've also had some very severe time/money issues offline that are interfering.) I'm hoping to at least shoot one out soon to fill in the gap, since there's been quite a few things to talk about since the last program (Fennec, ITT changes its name, Maemo 5 (Betrayal or Not? Debate!), etc.) and it seems a lot more people were listening than I'd expected, for a program that was only just launched. ...maybe I should seek a sponsor. **rubs chin**

Anyway, thanks for the new release, excellent interview and for your continued interest in my podcast!
 
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#166
I've upgraded to the newest version and played with it for a few hours now.. and WOW.. it is generally MUCH, MUCH more responsive and just better. The only time it still seems to be slow is during downloading.

MUCH, MUCH appreciated upgrade--thanks Thomas, Nick, and everyone involved!!
 
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#167
Oh geez, this is soooo much better!

A little off topic, but is there a special flag to use with Panucci to make sure it resumes? I've had maybe 50% success with podcasts actually resuming in the player vs. starting at the beginning, and I haven't found anything definitive on how Panucci should be configured in gPodder's settings.
 
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#168
Originally Posted by namtastic View Post
A little off topic, but is there a special flag to use with Panucci to make sure it resumes? I've had maybe 50% success with podcasts actually resuming in the player vs. starting at the beginning, and I haven't found anything definitive on how Panucci should be configured in gPodder's settings.
I've noticed this too. You probably should not pause the file (let it play while closing panucci). It's a bug in the current version (of Panucci), and we're going to fix it in the next version. As a workaround, you can try to make a bookmark before closing and then closing, so when it starts at the beginning, you can go to bookmarks and choose the bookmark you want.
 
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#169
Just wanted to say version .14 is great. The UI feels much cleaner and everything seems to make more sense.

I know gpodder has an opml import. Is there anyway to import feeds from Nokia's video center. I could retrieve the rss URL's one by one but that's tedious.

Last edited by jcharpak; 2008-12-12 at 17:18. Reason: fixed typo
 
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#170
Originally Posted by jcharpak View Post
I know gpodder has an opml import. Is there anyway to import feeds from Nokia's video center. I could retrieve the rss URL's one by one but that's tedious.
Does Nokia's Video Center have an export function?
 
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