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2010-08-11 , 03:52
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#171
Originally Posted by silvermountain View Post
The whole "Don't think we're not doing any work just because we don't tell you about it" just doesn't cut it in a community that believe in full transparency and openness and have quite a few members that are managers, project managers, etc, etc where communication and setting expectations are part of our lives.
That is completely misconstruing what I said.

I said the process has been off public radar-- and even then, not completely. We have engaged here, in email, twitter, on IRC, you name it.

We are not hidden.

But iIf you have honest, serious suggestions for improvement instead of abject bashing, what are they??? Help me out. I do listen.
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2010-08-11 , 03:54
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#172
Originally Posted by silvermountain View Post
I rest my case.
Qwerty12 was more insightful than I realized.
Okay you two let's all calm down and work this out ... this is all about consensus building. We need to reach a point of agreeing as to what to do as a community, because if the council is not in touch nor does not know what it's community members are thinking, than it cannot effectively represent them.

* Where do we stand on Nokia and the N900 support as a community?

* Where do we as a community stand on bug issues that are WONTFIX?

... etc, we have to ask these questions and a consensus must be reached. I hate polls and surveys, but we have to know what people hear are thinking to make a community driven decision. I think a large segment right now is becoming more agitated at Nokia ... but it does not make them the majority. We have to arrange new tactics in getting the message out and a conflict in this PR sensitive time is the best approach ... we are not happy so we air our grievance to whomever would listen.

Maybe to like minded folks it is time as we have overstayed the safe bastion of Nokia waters called this forum and go to a more socially aware forum that addresses our needs ( if we start fire here, they will most certainly close this place down ).

But we can't try the same tired tactics to get improvements, we need to be more forceful and know exactly what we want as an outcome (need to reach a consensus). For me I want see Nokia reverse the N900 Meego support decision. If we can forcefully push our agenda than this will solve all the other issues regarding Flash and Bugs.
 

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2010-08-11 , 03:56
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#173
Originally Posted by danramos View Post
There's a community subforum at http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=16 for most of everything related...

The actual "Ask the Council" thread is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41451
Yeah found it in about 3 seconds via google. . . I am not sure why I just didn't do that in the first place my mistake really.

thanks none the less.
 
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2010-08-11 , 03:57
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#174
If Nokia only said:

We will now focus our efforts on the MeeGo platform. However, we do not like to let down our loyal customers so there will be no Maemo PR1.3 update. Instead we will focus our efforts on bringing the MeeGo platform to the N900. The release of the update will be confirmed as soon as we have made our finalizations to MeeGo and its application to future Nokia smartphones. Current community inquiries, advise and efforts spent on the Maemo 5 platform will be highly valuable and possibly incorporated into the MeeGo project. We wish to take this opportunity to thank all Nokia customers and developers.

... and cut!
That's all that was necessary to ensure the N900 a healthy life!
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2010-08-11 , 03:58
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#175
Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Set up a community site and a council to take all the public flack, give the maemo community heads no real influence or control over Maemo but the appearance of it (at least, at first) so that Nokia itself doesn't have to look bad.
This takes us back to Maemo vs. maemo.org. The Council was never intended to have, or presented as having, control over Maemo. Instead, the Council is a representative body for the community. It also works closely with the paid maemo.org staff on setting priorities for the work on the community sites and resources.
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2010-08-11 , 04:01
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#176
Originally Posted by Kangal View Post
... and cut!
Giggity


(sorry, but your Avatar made it unable to resist)

Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
This takes us back to Maemo vs. maemo.org. The Council was never intended to have, or presented as having, control over Maemo. Instead, the Council is a representative body for the community. It also works closely with the paid maemo.org staff on setting priorities for the work on the community sites and resources.
And maybe brings us back to whether the purpose of the council is to take all the flack and have none of the responsibility and control, so that Nokia can take it easy.
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2010-08-11 , 04:06
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#177
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post

But iIf you have honest, serious suggestions for improvement instead of abject bashing, what are they??? Help me out. I do listen.
Posted some of them in the "Would you miss the Council"-thread.
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#178
Thats what i've been saying all along, i dropped my N900 for a Nexus One and OMG!! You who keeps waiting for the N900 to get 'fixed', what are you waiting for? Nokia really needs a miracle to compete with android.
 
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#179
So, sadly, we wrap back around to exactly the original posting...

Originally Posted by mchu6am4 View Post
The only thing that's keeping the N900 going is the Maemo.org community as Nokia have sadly abandoned its loyal fans....so well done and thank you Maemo community...and sadly bye bye Nokia as I've opted for an Android phone...it's a much more exciting and fun OS albeit not as powerful as Maemo!

Good bye for now...Ash
...which sounds like a proper summary of the last several pages of this thread, except we actually lost a user and potential contributor, had they felt like Nokia listened. You'll notice the tone of the message aimed all the hopelessness square on what Nokia has done to this community.

Just saying.

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Thats what i've been saying all along, i dropped my N900 for a Nexus One and OMG!! You who keeps waiting for the N900 to get 'fixed', what are you waiting for? Nokia really needs a miracle to compete with android.
Dude. Where the hell did you come from and what does that have to do with this thread specifically?
 

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Stop it guys!this thread lead us nowhere,we all got his msg let's say Nice Big Goodbye to Him.
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